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Airclues 21st Jun 2021 20:59

Latécoère 631 found
 
Apparently a Latecoere 631 six engined seaplane has been found at the bottom of Lake Simon in Canada.

https://thecanadian.news/he-finds-an...k-by-accident/

Self loading bear 21st Jun 2021 21:26

I think you will find all Latecoere 631s have been accounted for.
Not 1 lost in Canada.

SpringHeeledJack 22nd Jun 2021 06:31

If that is the case, what do you think the diver in the story has rediscovered ? Are there similar looking aircraft to the Latecoeur 631 ?

FlightlessParrot 22nd Jun 2021 08:35


Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack (Post 11066088)
If that is the case, what do you think the diver in the story has rediscovered ? Are there similar looking aircraft to the Latecoeur 631 ?

Well, there were two other six-engined flying boats developed in competition with it (!), the Sud-Est Amphitrite and the Potez-CAMS 161, which seem to have been even more unlikely to end up in a Canadian lake. It seems a peculiarly specific identification, given the description of what was found. I guess the six engines would be a reasonably decisive clue, but there's no mention of that.

Fareastdriver 22nd Jun 2021 08:43


“I have several videos and photos of the cabin shared with the police. Yes, I saw bodies and kerosene barrels on the plane.
Canadian lakes must be very cold.

Less Hair 22nd Jun 2021 08:48

Does it say "Spitfire" on the crate?

Airclues 22nd Jun 2021 10:33

According to an article (in French) in the 'Journal de Montreal', the military have confiscated the photos until a full investigation has taken place. Could be more to this? The diver claims to have found six propellers.

megan 22nd Jun 2021 10:45

The article doesn't say it was six engined, it says "at least six props were found".

Jhieminga 22nd Jun 2021 11:02

It could be the wreckage of three Grumman Geese... :}

aroa 22nd Jun 2021 12:22

Barrels and bodies.? And six props.! Will be very interesting to hear the final outcome regarding this find.
Wiki shows the 631 as a major piece of kit, as a poster said, all accounted for elsewhere.

Self loading bear 22nd Jun 2021 12:42

Have all Convair tradewinds been accounted for?
Those had counter rotating props so 8 in total.

I have to give in that 4 Latecoers have been broken up.
I do not know where that has been done.
Could be one of them been scuttled?

But then no bodies and barrels.
Don’t drink and dive.

Beamr 22nd Jun 2021 16:22

All tradewinds are accounted for as per baaa-acro site.

So far there's nothing published to support the claims on six props etc. Will be interesting to see the pictures once published.
But I'm wondering if this is actually a C54 or some earlier four engined military transport (which happened to carry props amongst other things as cargo). A few of those are still missing.

I find it more plausible to be some rather common type as the missing rare ones are known and would've been already brought into question. All that the authorities have stated is that there seems to be "a mass that could resemble a plane", the rest of the description is from the diver.

How clear are the waters over there and is it rocky/muddy/smthn else? The plane is apparently laying at more than 45 meters deep, so there are many challenges in identifying the aircraft, never minding counting for 150+ chests that has been laying there for more than half a century.

evansb 22nd Jun 2021 18:02

If the wreck does exist, it is most probably an RCAF PBY Canso. Between 1935 and 1946, a total of 3,431 PBYs of all types, were built in North America; 730 of them in Canada. Over 300 of the type were built at nearby Montreal.
After the Second World War, Cansos served with the RCAF in photo reconnaissance and search and rescue roles, until they were finally retired November 1962.
The diver's details of the wreck are predictably vague and give rise to my innate scepticism. I remain to be surprised.

treadigraph 22nd Jun 2021 22:16

Is the name Gillespie involved?

jumpseater 23rd Jun 2021 00:10

The other potential type it could be, large and high wing is a B24 variant or C-87. If any of those are stil MIA in that area.

Beamr 23rd Jun 2021 03:18


Originally Posted by jumpseater (Post 11066583)
The other potential type it could be, large and high wing is a B24 variant or C-87. If any of those are stil MIA in that area.

FK243 B24D lost over Canada 12th Jan 1943 on ferry flight to Europe. "Canada" is a rather vast area, but hasn't been specified more accurately.

Beamr 23rd Jun 2021 06:28

Actually, the idea of the possible wreck being a RAF B24 or some other lend-lease plane is not that far fetched, as starting from 1941 the RAF Ferry Command flew the planes to Dorval airport in Montreal prior to trans-atlantic ferry flights. Dorval is mere 100km away from Lake Simon.
Furthermore, based on junobeach.org, once the route was found successful the ferried planes were increasingly used to carry passengers, mail, and essential cargo such as medical or technical supplies, even ammunition.
The crew were civilians, it seems a bit difficult to find any info on the accidents enroute.

I'd consider feasible that if the supposed wreck was a civilian aircraft there would be some legacy info about the accident of such a large aircraft with many hands lost. Instead if it was a military aircraft on a ferry flight among thousands of ferry flights on same route in the midst of years of warfare, no one blinks an eye.


meleagertoo 23rd Jun 2021 11:47

"Six props" is very possibly technical mis-speak for six propellor blades...
Particularly as a twin piston 'boat is far more likely anyway.Were it reallt a Latecoere they would surely comment at length (sorry!) on its vast size.

India Four Two 23rd Jun 2021 14:47

[QUOTE]The plane is apparently laying at more than 45 meters deep[/QUOTE]

A depth of 45 metres requires “technical diving” equipment and skills. The limit for non-decompression diving is about 25 metres.

evansb 23rd Jun 2021 19:02

Interesting that the windows and nose of a Consolidated C-87 could resemble a Latecoere 631 when viewed through the murky depths of a lake.

FYI The wreck that diver Mark Sarazen found in Lac Simon in 2007 was a Republic RC-3 Seabee that disappeared on November 21, 1957, with four hunters. The wreck was retrieved in 2008.


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