British airline industry- so many failures?
I can't help but think there is an inherent problem with the airline industry in the UK. Compared with other countries we have so many failures. Here are a few:
Air Safaris Pegasus Skyways Trans European (the one with Constellations) Treffield British Eagle Tradewinds IAS Lloyd International Channel Airways Donaldson Court Line Laker Air Europe British Caledonian Dan Air British Midland ( and fly BMI etc). Duo XL airways Wales Cyrmru British World Silverjet Highland Airways Monarch Thomas Cook And many more smaller companies (please name those I have missed). . I know some were taken over for a token sum but they were bust really. How do we make things more stable for employees and travellers. |
I think you would need to count how many airlines were started in the UK and over what period of time. Then note how long each carrier was active for. Then collate the same data for the countries you wish to make the comparison with. Countries will need to be categorised by population size and the era in which the companies were operational, taking account of such things as recessions and boom periods. It may simply be that more airlines were started in the UK and the soze of the population might not have supported that level of optimism - but we currently have no means of knowing.
Further, Thomas Cook from it's first iteration, has been in business for 150+ years and very, VERY few companies make it past 100 years. [ps I see The Guardian stating they had been in business 178 years] |
22/04,
If you were to produce a similar list of US airlines that have failed or disappeared it would be HUGE! |
Two airlines just failed in France : Aigle Azur and XL Airways
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If you want to have £2,000,000 start an airline with £50,000,000
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Missing from your list (at first glance)... Orion Air 2000 Gill Airways Excalibur |
Orion and Air 2000 did not fail; they were amalgamated with other airlines. Both ended up as part of what is now TUI
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There are many more - Paramount, Debonair, Buzz, numerous cargo carriers....what this demonstrates is not that UK aviators are inherently inept, but that the investment environment is well-disposed towards air transport. One reason for that is that the Regulatory regime, issueing Licences, is open to new entrants. Painful to fill in all the forms, raise financial evidence...but if a team does its homework, they can fly. The incumbent big boys have less scope to block newcomers than in, say, France.
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Originally Posted by 22/04
(Post 10577674)
. Compared with other countries we have so many failures.
To start understanding the industry, you need to go back to the 1940s and see the government attitude then, with tight regulation over everyone and preference (and subsidy) for the state owned airlines. Then you have the development of the charter industry (because there were very few non-state operated scheduled routes allowed), followed by Laker and then Branson breaking the monopoly finally with full deregulation (and the EU helped). This was then followed by the budget airlines who have basically taken over. I know of some books which touch on this subject and there must be one or two devoted to it. |
Originally Posted by pr00ne
(Post 10579849)
22/04,
If you were to produce a similar list of US airlines that have failed or disappeared it would be HUGE! That being said, after 40 years of intimate exposure to the business, I'm mildly impressed than anyone can make money - either the manufacturers or the operators. |
I'm sure the same applies worldwide. But Britain is an island, so we have a greater propensity to travel than most, so more airlines are formed. We are also a fairly open economy, so start-ups are easier here than in some other jurisdictions.
What I think the number of failures shows is that aviation is a precarious business, that so many factors can affect - think terrorism, fuel prices, recession, regime change, weather, etc etc. Oh, just thought of another one - Paramount. And Air Exel. Alidair Air Bridge Carriers Air Ferry Invicta International Capital Euro Direct |
Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 10581013)
Relatively few US airlines have 'failed' - most merged with or were taken over by other airlines..
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Add Flightline to the list. BAe146 operator.
Having worked as cabin crew since 1982 Mrs ETOPS features in many of these airlines. DanAir Orion Flightline XL BMI Baby I call her the "airline assassin" :eek: Won't say who she works for now just in case.......... |
I was one of the last out of the door at FlyGlobespan and left bmibaby before the lights were turned off !
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Originally Posted by NumptyAussie
(Post 10581252)
Pan Am? TWA? If you are gonna do it, do it large!
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Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 10581743)
Numpty - Pan Am was purchased by Delta, Teeny Weeny was taken over by American - both while still operational airlines. They didn't "fail".
"Pan Am was forced to file for bankruptcy protection on January 8, 1991. Delta Air Lines purchased the remaining profitable assets...." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_..._World_Airways "Under Icahn's direction, many of its most profitable assets were sold to competitors, much to the detriment of TWA.[35] Icahn was eventually ousted in 1993, though not before the airline was forced to file for bankruptcy on January 31, 1992.[36]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_World_Airlines |
Janus, another airline. |
Metropolitan Airways and EVA (Ellen Vallin). Both out of Bournemouth.
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Originally Posted by dixi188
(Post 10582150)
EVA (Ellen Vallin)
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How about the cargo airline failures?
Tradewinds Pelican Air Tranport Scimitar IAS Cargo Transmeridian ACE Freighters Anglo Cargo MK Airlines Silver City Airways Instone Airways |
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