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Weeds round the prop 13th Aug 2019 02:41

Stinson running adjustment
 
I'm not sure which forum this belongs in but it seems historical:
Does anyone have an idea of what is being done in this picture?
I cannot find the original photo on the net.
The aircraft is a Stinson Junior, and there seems to be some
form of grab rail fitted over the cowl, and a 'platform' either side of the nose
that the brave 'mechanic' is lying on.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c1178a9405.jpg


megan 13th Aug 2019 03:08

Perhaps this one on a test flight?

SM-4 Junior 1929 = 2pChwM rg; 300hp Wright R-975. POP: 1 special retractable-gear endurance plane Sally Sovereign developed from SM-1 [X9696]. Damaged in a wheels-up landing after a failed endurance flight (p: Eddie Stinson, Randolph Page). Rebuilt with fixed gear as K of New Haven for an aborted attempt at a US-Argentina non-stop flight on 7/15/30, when the crew became lost in a fog over Georgia and ran out of gas. They bailed out and SM-4 crashed to destruction.

Stinson

DaveReidUK 13th Aug 2019 07:43

Not a Junior - it's the SM-1 Detroiter "City of Chicago" used by the Hunter brothers for their 1930 endurance record flight:

https://www.criticalpast.com/video/6...unter-brothers

dook 13th Aug 2019 07:57

There is more than one photograph of that event.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a1ab04aae0.png

dook 13th Aug 2019 08:03

Here's another.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f226f6647c.jpg

treadigraph 13th Aug 2019 08:22

Had a flight in the right hand seat of an SM-8 Junior about 20 years ago, glad I wasn't asked to do whatever he was doing...

dook 13th Aug 2019 08:30

What he was doing is captioned in my post #4 above.

treadigraph 13th Aug 2019 08:38

Thanks, missed your first pic on me phone...! And Dave's post 3.

spekesoftly 13th Aug 2019 10:09


Originally Posted by dook (Post 10543721)
What he was doing is captioned in my post #4 above.

I'm struggling to understand how the the intrepid gentleman was able to change the spark plugs with the engine running?

dook 13th Aug 2019 10:23

I wondered about that too, but it seems they did.

dook 13th Aug 2019 10:33

Yet another:


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....42aa056c6c.jpg

Weeds round the prop 13th Aug 2019 12:14

Thanks everyone.
It appears that this was such a common, and indeed necessary, procedure that the 'access frames' and grab rail were fitted for the purpose of allowing a passenger (hopefully!) to carry out this work. I still find it hard to believe that a spark plug can be changed on a running engine, having witnessed the result of one unscrewing to the end of its thread and zipping off over a hedge, never to be found again- I was following a BSA 441 Victor at some speed many years ago.
Regards, Weeds

dook 13th Aug 2019 12:20

It wasn't a passenger.

Weeds round the prop 13th Aug 2019 12:23

Oh, and thanks Dave Reid: I can see now that the large hatch/hole behind the cockpit was where the in-flight refuelling hose was dropped into (and probably food and drink too). I presume that the PNF had to catch hold of it and connect the end to a fitting on a fuel line to the tanks. Brave aviators!

Planemike 13th Aug 2019 12:33

Where was the Health & Safety manager when all this was going on....???!!!

dook 13th Aug 2019 12:37

Flying the aeroplane !

Jhieminga 13th Aug 2019 21:00


Originally Posted by Weeds round the prop (Post 10543919)
I still find it hard to believe that a spark plug can be changed on a running engine, having witnessed the result of one unscrewing to the end of its thread and zipping off over a hedge, never to be found again-

A largish radial will continue running even if one cylinder isn't cooperating. So if you pull off the lead(s) for one pot at a time, you should be able to change the plug(s) that way. The difficult part is probably getting the new plug in without dropping it ;)
Not saying I'd like to take on the job though....


megan 14th Aug 2019 01:42

Changing plugs? Poor maintenance, what about the timing, tappets, oil change. ;)

You're an ace Dave with that link. :ok:

Hand starting.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6fcae6eee3.jpg

washoutt 14th Aug 2019 07:32

But how do you push a spark plug into its fitting in the cilinder head against the pressure of the cilinder coming up? That's a pressure in the order of 5 or 6 atmosphere, leading to force of around 40 to 70 kgf (500 N methink), depending on the diameter of the spark plug.

DaveReidUK 14th Aug 2019 08:59


Originally Posted by washoutt (Post 10544566)
But how do you push a spark plug into its fitting in the cilinder head against the pressure of the cilinder coming up? That's a pressure in the order of 5 or 6 atmosphere, leading to force of around 40 to 70 kgf (500 N methink), depending on the diameter of the spark plug.

Time it so that you screw it in on the down-stroke. :O

Joking aside, I was wondering how they would do that too, and also how they would reach all 9 cylinder heads.

Not to mention how much/little clearance there was between the forward plugs and the prop ...


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