Was that talk in Canada? Tony "Buzzy" Alcock was OC29 back in F4 days
Yes in St.John's. He's s guest of the committee organizing the commemoration. |
An excellent and detailed account of the flight can be read at "The Aviation History On-Line Museum".
Captain John Alcock and Lieutenant Arthur Whitten Brown |
Were mechanics also on the Alcock and Brown flight? Ross and Keith Smith's Vimy had Bennett and Shiers on board as well, and their extraordinary bravery is often overlooked.
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"All things considered, the Vimy was a mechanical piece of crap. Lindbergh's aircraft was mechanically and aerodynamically superior to the Vimy".
Others have replied to this and I agree with them, you only have to note the pace of developments in aviation to realise that 8 years is a long time. 10 years before A and B crossed the Atlantic, Bleriot won £1000 for being the first to fly across the English Channel. |
Originally Posted by cooperplace
(Post 10474722)
Were mechanics also on the Alcock and Brown flight? Ross and Keith Smith's Vimy had Bennett and Shiers on board as well, and their extraordinary bravery is often overlooked.
Mechanics would have been of limited use on board Alcock and Brown's non-stop transatlantic flight, whereas they would have earned their keep many times over on Ross and Keith Smith's 27-day, 18-stop London to Darwin marathon. |
Second Lt. A. Whitten Brown 10th November 1915
Second shoot down or it might have been engine trouble depends which account you read, either way resulted in serious injuries, capture and eventual repatriation due to his injuries.
Hopefully one of these links works - http://www.pprune.org/showthread.php...errerid=301760 https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...ay-1918-a.html |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
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No.
Mechanics would have been of limited use on board Alcock and Brown's non-stop transatlantic flight, whereas they would have earned their keep many times over on Ross and Keith Smith's 27-day, 18-stop London to Darwin marathon. yes indeed, that's a considerable under-statement. Bennett and Shiers performed with immense distinction and bravery; without them the flight would not have been successful. Long story, for another day. |
If anyone wants more detail about the flight read Brown's book, Flying the Atlantic in Sixteen Hours, with a Discussion of Aircraft in Commerce and Transportation available as a free PDF at:
https://ia802609.us.archive.org/30/i...00browrich.pdf |
PastTense. Thanks for that link. It's downloaded and saved, to be read at leisure.
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Originally Posted by racasanman
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Alcock was born in Manchester and Brown, although born in Scotland moved to Manchester at an early age so it is quite fitting that there is a statue commemorating their achievement at Manchester airport.
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Originally Posted by echobeach
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This is utterly brilliant. I was very disappointed not to be able to read the rest of that article in fly past. |
Originally Posted by cooperplace
(Post 10474722)
Were mechanics also on the Alcock and Brown flight? Ross and Keith Smith's Vimy had Bennett and Shiers on board as well, and their extraordinary bravery is often overlooked.
But even if not, hats off to those adventurers, most of the stuff we´re doing nowadays seems trivial compared to this endeavour. |
Folks,
Thread drift I know, but in the G.O.Ds the Heathrow statue (which, in those days, was right by a heavily used security gate) was always refereed, irreverently, to as the "Sammy Davis Junior" statue. Tootle pip!! |
Brown apparently climbed out of the cockpit at night over the Atlantic to remove ice from the engine air intake Sir Patrick Gordon Taylor, GC, OBE, MC, Australian aviator of some fame - During the 1935 Australia-New Zealand airmail flight with Charles Kingsford Smith, the starboard engine failed and the crew decided to return to Sydney, where the aircraft was buffeted by strong winds. It was decided that fuel and cargo must be jettisoned. During these conditions, Taylor made six journeys outside the cabin of the Southern Cross, climbing along the under-wing strut to drain the oil from the useless motor and transfer this to the overheating port motor. Taylor's actions, with the addition of Kingsford Smith's flying skills, resulted in the plane making its way back to land safely. Taylor was later awarded the Empire Gallantry Medal for his actions, which was later exchanged for the George Cross |
Originally Posted by LeadSled
(Post 10475984)
Thread drift I know, but in the G.O.Ds the Heathrow statue (which, in those days, was right by a heavily used security gate) was always refereed, irreverently, to as the "Sammy Davis Junior" statue.
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Originally Posted by megan
(Post 10475990)
While it's not known if the story is factual, the old timers certainly did pull off some amazing acts.
Sir Patrick Gordon Taylor, GC, OBE, MC, Australian aviator of some fame - During the 1935 Australia-New Zealand airmail flight with Charles Kingsford Smith, the starboard engine failed and the crew decided to return to Sydney, where the aircraft was buffeted by strong winds. It was decided that fuel and cargo must be jettisoned. During these conditions, Taylor made six journeys outside the cabin of the Southern Cross, climbing along the under-wing strut to drain the oil from the useless motor and transfer this to the overheating port motor. Taylor's actions, with the addition of Kingsford Smith's flying skills, resulted in the plane making its way back to land safely. Taylor was later awarded the Empire Gallantry Medal for his actions, which was later exchanged for the George Cross |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 10475990)
While it's not known if the story is factual, the old timers certainly did pull off some amazing acts.
the under-wing strut to drain the oil from the useless motor and transfer this to the overheating port motor. Taylor's actions, with the addition of Kingsford Smith's flying skills, resulted in the plane making its way back to land safely. Taylor was later awarded the Empire Gallantry Medal for his actions, which was later exchanged for the George Cross |
On a lighter note: I read that the press always had some confusion as to who was who with the pair.
It was resolved by the Pilot calling from the front: "Remember, it's Allcock in front!" Which was followed by the Navigator adding: "And a Brown behind!". |
Originally Posted by Lou Scannon
(Post 10477359)
On a lighter note: I read that the press always had some confusion as to who was who with the pair.
It was resolved by the Pilot calling from the front: "Remember, it's Allcock in front!" Which was followed by the Navigator adding: "And a Brown behind!". On that other subject, as they said in BKK, “You pilots are all the same - big watch, big cock and always pay by cheque...” Never mind - I’ve got the watch anyway. |
I know this the DM, but is it fair coment about lack of recognition of the event?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...T-HARDMAN.html |
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