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Originally Posted by dook
(Post 10290225)
According to the ballistics boffins at Boscombe, my parachute opened at 190ft agl and the seat was never travelling upwards with respect to the ground after ejection.
The aeroplane was travelling backwards with hardly any forward speed when it impacted and I landed about fifty yards from the fireball. |
Certainly was and what's more two of us escaped. We reckoned we punched about a second apart and landed just under 100 yards from each other.
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What seat was it? if you don't mind..
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Martin Baker Mk9 - see post #7.
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When we arrived at Oakington we had our thighs measured. A couple were too lanky to fit in a Vampire with bang seats so they were sent off to the Meteor Flight.
Problem solved: Climb over the side. |
Originally Posted by dook
(Post 10304735)
Martin Baker Mk9 - see post #7.
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When we arrived at Oakington we had our thighs measured. |
The initial thinking behind the rocket seat was primarily to keep the seat going on up post the gun firing, clearance of the tail assembly being one consideration.
The alternative solution with the early F. 104 was not found to be such a good idea! |
Not really.
An analysis by Martin Baker showed that most ejections were low and slow and in many cases descending. This was the main design reason behind the advent of rocket-assisted escape systems. |
I was very cautious in my wording dook .
The first production rocket seat was in the F102 in the 50's and if you look at the height of the fin you can see what the main consideration was in that case. The" low and slow" requirement was a later driver , albeit an extremely relevant one as addressed by M.B My comment of "primarily to keep the seat going on up post the gun firing" was meant to embrace that, on the way to "Zero Zero" and the later ACES and Russian seats, as later publicly demonstrated by Anatoly Kvochur out of the MiG 29 at Paris in 1989.. Like many others I initially thought that the rocket was primarily to help spread the "g" load during ejection. A fallacy that I was quickly disabused of during study detachments to the R.A.F.Institute of Aviation Medicine in the late 60's and early 70's. |
Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
(Post 10304743)
When we arrived at Oakington we had our thighs measured. A couple were too lanky to fit in a Vampire with bang seats so they were sent off to the Meteor Flight.
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Originally Posted by dook
(Post 10290225)
According to the ballistics boffins at Boscombe, my parachute opened at 190ft agl and the seat was never travelling upwards with respect to the ground after ejection.
The aeroplane was travelling backwards with hardly any forward speed when it impacted and I landed about fifty yards from the fireball. I remember landing like a sack of potatoes and never even had time to release the PSP. I didn't (quite) witness the occurence so I can't judge what height they ejected; I watched it taxy out and enter the runway from my car in the tower car park (it had been parked on the pan next to the tower) then I drove off, not knowing what was about to happen less than a minute later. |
Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
(Post 10304743)
When we arrived at Oakington we had our thighs measured. A couple were too lanky to fit in a Vampire with bang seats so they were sent off to the Meteor Flight.
Problem solved: Climb over the side. When it reached the point where his knees would have been chopped off, the seat was lowered, he was unstrapped and he climbed out. He was taken off Canberra's. Dunno what happened to him. |
On 92 when we changed from the Hunter to the Lightning some of the taller pilots were measured and at least one of our pilots discovered he was the wrong dimensions to escape unscathed should he need to eject from the Lightning. His complaint was that his legs were 'too long for the cockpit of the biggest fighter the RAF ever had '.
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Yes, but the cockpit was tiny. I am 5ft 11ins but one of my Lightning colleagues was a 6ft 3ins South African and he fitted OK.
Sitting thigh length was the criterion and we're all different. |
dook,
I'm also 5' 11" and sitting thigh length is within spec, but when I sat in an F6, I couldn't see how I could eject with my knees intact. Were the seat rails inclined? I was also impressed by how high up I was! |
My ejection height was 73 feet above ground level! I think my shoulders rotated down in the shoulder straps as I remember seeing the cockpit going away from me! From talking on the radio....the world goes very quiet! Checked the chute and dropped the PSP then landed like a sack of potatoes in a ploughed field! Lay on my back thinking about others who had damaged themselves! After a few seconds, I stood up to take off my helmet! Just then, my number two flew over to see if I had got out! Scared me to death! I was unscathed but sat down to write down all the parameters I could remember! Old tip from my squadron QFI!! Very useful at the subsequent BOI! |
Lack of Cushioning
Originally Posted by Rosevidney1
(Post 10290636)
My recollections on the Vampire T11 are mainly on how uncomfortable the seating was. It was not unlike sitting on a rock!
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The training setup that is sometimes seen in documentaries of a captive seat and compressed air pistonl lift of the seat - how realistic is that? Is simply about pulling the blind/handle or does it give more sense of how it will be? Looking back - was it helpful in preparing you?
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