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Chris Scott 10th Jul 2018 23:31

Laker Airways R/T callsign
 
Can someone please remind me of the R/T callsign used by Laker Airways in its esrly days (late 1960s)?

IIIRC, the “Laker” callsign was not used until later.

Thanks in anticipation...

rog747 11th Jul 2018 06:56


Originally Posted by Chris Scott (Post 10193830)
Can someone please remind me of the R/T callsign used by Laker Airways in its esrly days (late 1960s)?

IIIRC, the “Laker” callsign was not used until later.

Thanks in anticipation...


I recall registrations were used until call signs adopted -
Autair BMA and Court certainly used regn's...
from my gatwick spotting days from late 60's and the 70's I do not recall Laker having another call sign but maybe somewhere out there can expand as well

Chris Scott 18th Jul 2018 09:18


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 10193972)
I recall registrations were used until call signs adopted -
Autair BMA and Court certainly used regn's...
from my gatwick spotting days from late 60's and the 70's I do not recall Laker having another call sign but maybe somewhere out there can expand as well

Re my original question, and after a lot of head-scratching on holiday, I'm wondering if it might have been

"JETSET" ?

Or was/is that some other airline?

As for whether the flight-specific part used the flight number or the aircraft registration, I simply can't remember that either!

rog747 18th Jul 2018 09:20


Originally Posted by Chris Scott (Post 10199434)
Re my original question, and after a lot of head-scratching on holiday, I'm wondering if it might have been

"JETSET" ?

Or was/is that some other airline?

As for whether the flight-specific part used the flight number or the aircraft registration, I simply can't remember that either!


jetset was air2000

treadigraph 18th Jul 2018 11:18

Did they ever use Skytrain as a call sign after they got the DC-10s?

Chris Scott 18th Jul 2018 14:43


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 10199436)
jetset was air2000

Thanks, rog747. Air Z000 - another blast from the (more recent) past...

Re Skytrain, treadigraph, no doubt there are some ex-Laker flight crew from the early days and Skytrain who could answer both. Just a case of finding one...

brakedwell 25th Jul 2018 09:42

Callsign: Laker

treadigraph 25th Jul 2018 16:36

Thanks Brakedwell!

JW411 25th Jul 2018 17:06

I didn't get there until the end of 1978 and the only callsign we ever used was "Laker".

Musket90 26th Jul 2018 20:18

Registration callsigns to start with then "Laker". Didn't they also use callsign "Carribbean" when the early B707's were in Laker livery but with International Caribbean titles ?

Chris Scott 26th Jul 2018 22:21

Thanks everyone. I guess that the use of the airline's name as part of the callsign was then so rare - at any rate in Europe - that hearing "Laker..." seemed odd.

megan 27th Jul 2018 01:06


Didn't they also use callsign "Carribbean"
LAKER BAHAMAS according to the listings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_codes_(L)

Musket90 27th Jul 2018 18:46

Thanks megan - don't recall that callsign from my Gatwick Laker days but maybe my memory is failing with age !

jensdad 27th Jul 2018 18:55


Originally Posted by megan (Post 10207258)
LAKER BAHAMAS according to the listings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_codes_(L)

That's a different airline. Laker Bahamas emerged in the 1990s. The Wikipedia page lists it as being USA airline. The 707s under discussion were the ones in basic Laker (first incarnation) colours with Caribbean Airways titles that were hanging around Gatwick and Manchester in the late 70s or so. I remember seeing one at Manchester when we went on holiday to Rhodes. We used to shlep down to Manchester as Enterprise Holidays did free child-places!

brakedwell 27th Jul 2018 21:35

Caribbean Airways was registered in Barbados and as far as I know never operated any aircraft, unlike Caribbean Airlines based in Trinidad and Tobago.. When I was with Lauda we used the Caribbean Airways (Caribjet) callsign on our Barbados flights from Vienna and Milan. ISTR Virgin may have done the same at some time.

WHBM 28th Jul 2018 05:35

International Caribbean was a quite longstanding Laker joint venture with Barbados investors, and a 707 had these titles applied. Principal route was Luxembourg to Barbados, mostly just once a week hence the aircraft appearing on other Laker ops the rest of the time. It operated from shortly after Laker got the ex-British Eagle (and onetime Qantas) 707-138Bs in 1969 right through to Laker's end. Sometimes it just positioned to Luxembourg, other years it actually operated in service, and also did charters from Europe (most commonly Germany) to Barbados. Laker had German-speaking cabin crew as they had a base in Berlin for operating Mediterranean charters, which were reduced in winter when Caribbean operations peaked.

Mr Angry from Purley 28th Jul 2018 06:33

WHBM
I'm sure the 707 operated LGW-BGI for Caribbean Airways. I do recall the trip had a week's layover in BGI (so no-one ever went sick)
On the Royal Wedding (Charles and Di) I was nights and if my memory some of the rum punch served on said flight went missing.....#thegoodolddays

MARK9263 28th Jul 2018 08:22


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 10208242)
International Caribbean was a quite longstanding Laker joint venture with Barbados investors, and a 707 had these titles applied. Principal route was Luxembourg to Barbados, mostly just once a week hence the aircraft appearing on other Laker ops the rest of the time. It operated from shortly after Laker got the ex-British Eagle (and onetime Qantas) 707-138Bs in 1969 right through to Laker's end. Sometimes it just positioned to Luxembourg, other years it actually operated in service, and also did charters from Europe (most commonly Germany) to Barbados. Laker had German-speaking cabin crew as they had a base in Berlin for operating Mediterranean charters, which were reduced in winter when Caribbean operations peaked.

Call-sign was 'Caribbean 005'

brakedwell 28th Jul 2018 08:37


Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley (Post 10208261)
WHBM
I'm sure the 707 operated LGW-BGI for Caribbean Airways. I do recall the trip had a week's layover in BGI (so no-one ever went sick)
On the Royal Wedding (Charles and Di) I was nights and if my memory some of the rum punch served on said flight went missing.....#thegoodolddays

Our VIE - BGI flights were also weekly. Seven days in Sam Lords Castle made it a very popular trip, especially during the Viennese winter.

JW411 3rd Aug 2018 10:48

International Caribbean Airways started off in 1970 as a joint venture between Fred Laker and two businessmen based in Barbados. In 1973 the two businessmen sold their shares to the Government of Barbados which ended up with a 51% stake in the operation. The aircraft used were initially Laker 707s, which, as someone has already mentioned, carried Caribbean titles on the roof and the tail and also the blue - yellow - blue national flag of Barbados. I joined the DC-10 fleet and from time to time, one of them carried similar titles. I have a photograph of G-BBSZ so adorned but I can't post it (it's not mine so subject to copyright regulations, I assume). We had four Bajan F/Os who were actually only supposed to do Barbados flights but, in actual practice, they joined in with everyone else. One of them has either just retired or is just about to retire from Virgin after a long career there. In the cabin, half of the girls were Bajan (they didn't like going to Europe in the winter). In my time we stayed at the Paradise Beach (a Cunard hotel) on the west coast. Fred kindly furnished us with two Minimokes so that we could get around the island. The callsign used was "Caribbean" and the airline code was "IQ" (Laker was "GK"). A quick look at my log book produces IQ001 - LGW-BGI, IQ003 - LGW-LUX and IQ004 - BGI-LUX. Finally, I was told by one of my older colleagues that in the beginning, the flight deck used to have to swap hats between a Laker flight and a Caribbean flight!


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