Air Bridge Carriers
Anyone remember Air Bridge Carriers?
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I would imagine that quite a lot of people might remember Air Bridge Carriers.
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Sagittair, Air Bridge Carriers, Hunting Cargo Airlines, Air Contractors.
Argosy, Herald, Vanguard, Electra, B727, A300, F27, B737. Nope! Don't remember a thing! |
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Never really saw them at my local, Newcastle, in 'Air Bridge' guise. We do get Air Contractors' ATR42s in here doing the FedEx run between GLA and CDG - never knew they were linked to Air Bridge. Thanks for that info, dixi188.
Going a bit left-field here, but I do remember a story about one of the Merchantmen being haunted? |
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Christmas Day 1988. Heathrow
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Going a bit left-field here, but I do remember a story about one of the Merchantmen being haunted? I remember one of the engineers telling me he’d gone to an aeroplane (cant remember which one) on the ramp that he’d supposed was empty, he’d noticed someone sitting in the Captains seat who he guessed hadn’t heard his greeting. He did what he needed to do in the ‘cabin’ and had nipped in to the flight deck to say goodbye. There was no-one there. It had a big effect on him and he was loathe to enter another ‘empty’ aircraft. Sorry it’s a bit vague, but I think this is the gist of what he told me. |
But in reality that engineer was seeing things because as we all know 'haunted' doesn't really exist in the real world, it's a matter of opinion and there is always a sensible reason behind it.
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Originally Posted by canberra97
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But in reality that engineer was seeing things because as we all know 'haunted' doesn't really exist in the real world, it's a matter of opinion and there is always a sensible reason behind it.
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Was Fields, the engineering outfit at East Midlands and Heathrow, a sister company to ABC ?
The company had a handful of Viscount 800s in the late 70s/early 80s which spent at least some of their time operating for Dan-Air. BCZR, BGLC and CSZA/B. |
One engineer did describe to me how he found a complaint in the log about 'ghostly sounds from the airstairs'. He signed it off with 'airstairs lubricated and excorcised'.
Can't be sure if that involved a Vanguard, but I suspect it did. |
was air foyle part of ABC?
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IIRC ABC was started by two ex-BEA captains - Arnold(?) Boakes(?) and ??? Carter, so the acronym deriving from their names also suited the new company.
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[QUOTE=Mooncrest;10101969]Was Fields, the engineering outfit at East Midlands and Heathrow, a sister company to ABC ?
Field Aircraft Services & ABC were both subsidiary companies of the Hunting Group. Jack Capstick was the senior director of both companies and he was very supportive of these aviation subsidiaries. Cyril Stevens became involved with ABC when the company bought their first Merchantman from BEA/BA |
Dick Gilbert has written an excellent book on the company:-
His collection on Flickr contains many photos of aircraft and staff from ABC, plus many other outstanding historical shots. Hearing one of the Merchantmen rumble up Amber One above Castle Don. around midnight on the Luton-Glasgow papers, is an abiding memory. |
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Originally Posted by Mooncrest
(Post 10101969)
Was Fields, the engineering outfit at East Midlands and Heathrow, a sister company to ABC ?
Field Aircraft Services & ABC were both subsidiary companies of the Hunting Group. Jack Capstick was the senior director of both companies and he was very supportive of these aviation subsidiaries. Cyril Stevens became involved with ABC when the company bought their first Merchantman from BEA/BA |
Were Air Bridge linked to Channel Air Bridge?
I remember as a lad their Bristol Freighters and ATL Carvairs trundling across to France from Southend. |
rog747:
I am pretty certain that Chris Foyle had nothing to do with Air Bridge but we ended up with a lot of their ex-Vanguard drivers on the TNT contract. |
Remember a j/s ride to GLA on a mins night Cappy grabbed a/c as we broke out just above mins after a perfect ILS by the co-jo
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I was once privy to a CV from an engineer who claimed he was a "Director Designate " for ABC no less....alas.
Unfortunately, for him, his rapid departure from the UK and equally rapid departure from his then M.E bolt hole was well known, as was his capacity "to be economical with the truth "....along with a certain lack of attention to details when it came to the dates and content of his "impressive qualifications " as glowingly provided on his CV. Used to meet, in passing, a genuine ABC engineer quite often however. This was in the 80's / 90's, an elderly guy with a beard is the best description I can give, but always a nice guy and always working alone. Which mustn't have been much fun on the then elderly Merchantman |
Hearing one of the Merchantmen rumble up Amber One above Castle Don. around midnight on the Luton-Glasgow papers, is an abiding memory. |
Originally Posted by Stan Woolley
(Post 10102318)
Can’t say I particularly enjoyed flying it but I really loved standing next to one as it fired up the sixteen foot diameter props and the RR Tyne’s. Awesome!
On the ground (prop pitch in beta-range), advancing the throttles from ground idle resulted initially in an RPM reduction - a weird sensation until you got used to it. |
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Originally Posted by happybiker
(Post 10102203)
Thankyou happybiker. I knew there was some connection. I believe Fields was something of a Viscount maintenance centre. Fields EMA included a comprehensive design office which carried out design services for aircraft being maintained in house and for third parties including Airline Engineering (Monarch), Britannia and Short Brothers. Fields were also selected as the completion centre for the BAe Jetstream 31 & 41 in the 1980s delivering several hundred of the type. From this you can see that Fields were more than just an MRO but sadly that expertise and service is no more at EMA. |
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Originally Posted by Mooncrest
(Post 10102241)
Yes Fields carried out maintenance on Viscounts for BMA, Alidair, GB Airways and the Ministry of Aviation, I think that they were one of a small number of MROs that were able to carry out the re-sparring of the Viscount wings. The other main types that came through the hangar in the 1970s include the Argosy, Herald, Merchantman as well as the occasional DC-3, DC-4 and many HS 125 types from Series 1 through -600. Fields also completed 6 Shorts Skyvans for the Singapore Govt, 3 configured for search and rescue and 3 for general transport. Fields EMA included a comprehensive design office which carried out design services for aircraft being maintained in house and for third parties including Airline Engineering (Monarch), Britannia and Short Brothers. Fields were also selected as the completion centre for the BAe Jetstream 31 & 41 in the 1980s delivering several hundred of the type. From this you can see that Fields were more than just an MRO but sadly that expertise and service is no more at EMA. |
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Originally Posted by happybiker
(Post 10102399)
Makes good reading. Shame it's history now. I assume Fields did the Viscount stuff that was beyond BMA. |
Quite a handy arrangement. Makes me wonder if Fields got involved when G-AZLT was badly damaged at Leeds Bradford and was reincarnated as G-BMAT at East Midlands. A replacement set of wings was involved.
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Cannot help with info on G-AZLT I'm afraid. I had moved on from EMA by the time that accident occurred.
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Originally Posted by happybiker
(Post 10102472)
Cannot help with info on G-AZLT I'm afraid. I had moved on from EMA by the time that accident occurred.
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i seem to recall after our second LBA big prang no.2 that ZLT was reunited with spare wings from G-BAPD and was done at LTN
she went by road from LBA - don't think the work was done at EMA but such a long time ago |
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10102921)
i seem to recall after our second LBA big prang no.2 that ZLT was reunited with spare wings from G-BAPD and was done at LTN
she went by road from LBA - don't think the work was done at EMA but such a long time ago I have only ever seen one Air Bridge Carriers aircraft that I clearly remember. That was a Merchantman at Manchester about thirty years ago. It parked on the Fairey apron and it struck me how much the engines sounded like Darts, even though they were Tynes ! I did once see an Argosy at Leeds Bradford one Sunday morning in about 1979/1980. It could well have been an ABC aircraft but I don't remember. Coincidentally, there was an ABC Viscount there the same morning, sporting full Dan-Air livery and operating a Jersey rotation. |
Originally Posted by Mooncrest
(Post 10103020)
I did once see an Argosy at Leeds Bradford one Sunday morning in about 1979/1980. It could well have been an ABC aircraft but I don't remember. Coincidentally, there was an ABC Viscount there the same morning, sporting full Dan-Air livery and operating a Jersey rotation.
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Originally Posted by DH106
(Post 10103034)
Saw Argosy G-BEOZ at LBA in the late 70's, shortly followed by BAF carvair (probably G-ASHZ). I think they were transporting horses - must have been a big race on :)
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Originally Posted by Midland 331
(Post 10102227)
Dick Gilbert has written an excellent book on the company:-
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Air-Bridge-.../dp/B00TQTK862 His collection on Flickr contains many photos of aircraft and staff from ABC, plus many other outstanding historical shots. https://flic.kr/p/iy5CPb Hearing one of the Merchantmen rumble up Amber One above Castle Don. around midnight on the Luton-Glasgow papers, is an abiding memory. |
There's a new copy for sale on EBay for £16, free p&p.
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Originally Posted by Rocket Pants
(Post 10103481)
There's a new copy for sale on EBay for £16, free p&p.
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I remember seeing one on the cargo ramp at Cork in the 1990s, next to an Electra. Both were operating night cargo flights.
I always thought until then the two contemporary types were comparable. Only on seeing them trogether did I realise the Vanguard towered over the Electra. |
Going a bit left-field here, but I do remember a story about one of the Merchantmen being haunted? It seems that sometimes, both pilots and engineers were intimidated by the guardsvan. |
Last time saw merchant man G APES Was a cold night at Luton around 82 .What amazed me was the lights on the aircraft lit the whole place up lovely old sounds of engines
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Air Bridge at BFS
I used to load and unload the Vanguards at BFS in 1984-1986. TNT, general freight and newspapers, horses. Lovely machines. DHL had a Herald and when loads got too big it was changed for a whistling wheelbarrow.
Load planning was tricky as TNT would send us three igloos of varying weights with no indication of how heavy the next three would be, so there was a skill in popping the in, in the right order and leaving enough trim range to accommodate whatever came next on the container from Belfast. I've still got a copy load sheet and could quote the empty weights without the manual after a while. Standing under the nose for startups with those four huge props turning was great, opening the front hold with the props running to chuck in some forgotten paperwork was nerve-wracking. |
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