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Bergerie1 6th Oct 2017 06:21

ICM,

I tend to agree with you about the route over Turkey, I have been reading up a lot about this area and feel it most unlikely a western aircraft would have routed over Soviet territory.

Jhieminga,

Good to see GC being looked after, she is special!!

Jhieminga 6th Oct 2017 06:43


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 9915910)
Which would make it either ZA147 at Bruntingthorpe or ZA148 at Newquay.

.... or ZA150 at Dunsfold, or it could be K4 ZD241 at Bruntingthorpe but then the cargo door is a red herring.

DaveReidUK 6th Oct 2017 07:19


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 9915986)
I said at #2 it sounded like Bruntingthorpe!

True, you did. :O

But you said your guess was based on post #1, which merely said


Originally Posted by Terry McCassey (Post 9910917)
Strange that it was wearing an inflight refuelling probe and a sad hue of the beautiful BOAC dark blue.

So either of those K.3s could equally be a candidate (with a bit of help from Photoshop, obviously).

Yes, I forgot about that third possibility - ZA150 at Dunsfold.

Brian 48nav 6th Oct 2017 08:46

KelvinD & ICM
 
I recall as a Herc' nav passing the little route map for the pax to the loadie to take to the back.

There used to be a load of jokers in those days and my guess is that the nav in question drew the route across Soviet territory as a wind-up, perhaps fully expecting some 'senior' passenger to dash forward demanding, ' WTF is going on?'

We were fully aware that if we strayed off-route into Russian territory we would almost certainly be shot down.

Jhieminga 6th Oct 2017 10:02

While it sounds simpler, a K3 is actually not that well suited for this job. The front door on the left side is permanently closed as these doors were converted into escape chutes, and the rear door was bolted shut as well during the Tanker conversion. I know that the team on ZA150 have opened up one of the rear doors but I cannot remember if that means that it can be opened normally. The hinges may have been removed during the conversion, going by my photos.

chevvron 6th Oct 2017 10:51


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 9916153)
True, you did. :O

But you said your guess was based on post #1, which merely said



So either of those K.3s could equally be a candidate (with a bit of help from Photoshop, obviously).

It was the mention of Lightnings in the background as well as the refuelling probe which suggested Brunty to me.

RedhillPhil 6th Oct 2017 11:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks-ymRuo_Z8&t=67s

DaveReidUK 6th Oct 2017 12:30


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 9916383)
It was the mention of Lightnings in the background as well as the refuelling probe which suggested Brunty to me.

Ah, right.

Sadly the Lightnings (five of them in the background, with distinctly odd tail markings) were also thanks to Photoshop, as the OP mentioned.

Getting that number of English Electric's finest in one place for real would be a pretty challenging project nowadays.

WHBM 6th Oct 2017 14:11


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 9916464)
Sadly the Lightnings (five of them in the background, with distinctly odd tail markings) were also thanks to Photoshop, as the OP mentioned.

Getting that number of English Electric's finest in one place for real would be a pretty challenging project nowadays.

In the film "The Aviator", 2004, about Howard Hughes, there is a scene where Leonardo di Caprio, as Hughes, is standing in front of a whole line of five or more Lockheed Connies, in full TWA livery.

Self, plus another adjacent chap, likewise not of younger years, both suddenly sat upright in our cinema seats in London trying to pick out just how it had been done and which Connie model they had based it on.

Wasn't one of you lot, was it ? :) Film CGI technology has doubtless moved even further on in the intervening 13 years.

Seloco 6th Oct 2017 18:01

Having finally grabbed a decent HD screenshot from the first episode of the Last Post I am led to suspect that most of the "VC10" is a CGI model rather than 2D photoshopping over an existing airframe. To me neither the nacelles nor the tailplane bullet look quite right, and the system air intake on the leading edge near the wing root looks both too narrow and too low. The lower fuselage panelling appears overemphasised and the window layout is strange - what is that gap just ahead of the wing? And the BOAC blue is not right, unless the producers were going for the Instagram look...

And with all the trouble they must have taken to model it, adding or failing to remove the FR probe is very strange!

But the programme, to be fair, seems pretty good so far!

Herod 6th Oct 2017 19:42

My late father-in-law always advised that, when reading any factual publication, to always go to the source. With that in mind, I have contacted the BBC to ask them about it. Awaiting results.

brakedwell 7th Oct 2017 11:01


Originally Posted by ian16th (Post 9912676)
I didn't count the hours.

I did by Hasting, and counted the days! :(


It took two days in an Argosy via Jeddah El Adem Luqa. :ok:

NutLoose 7th Oct 2017 16:11

Ahhh then it's easy to identify if it's ZA150, as ZA149 and ZA150 being both ex East African Airways have an extra 68psi switch in the Air conditioning ducting..... Strange things you remember of the Vc 10 courses ;)

DaveReidUK 7th Oct 2017 17:11


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 9917482)
Ahhh then it's easy to identify if it's ZA150, as ZA149 and ZA150 being both ex East African Airways have an extra 68psi switch in the Air conditioning ducting..... Strange things you remember of the Vc 10 courses ;)

Fair enough, though I'm confused as to why ZA150 (also an ex-EAA 1154) would be different ?

Jhieminga 9th Oct 2017 13:14


Originally Posted by Seloco (Post 9916747)
Having finally grabbed a decent HD screenshot from the first episode of the Last Post I am led to suspect that most of the "VC10" is a CGI model rather than 2D photoshopping over an existing airframe.

That would certainly explain why this is still a mystery. I would have expected someone in the know to have responded and confirmed our suspicions by now.

Please let us know if you hear back from the BBC Herod!

Herod 10th Oct 2017 10:33

Just an update. I've had a reply from the BBC. They have given me an address for the makers of the series, and I've sent a query off to them.

Herod 10th Oct 2017 11:36

I've had a reply from the filmmakers. It's completely CGI. here is a link to how it was done.

https://www.facebook.com/blackginger...pu-xNg&fref=nf

Cunning.

22/04 10th Oct 2017 12:50

Why did they give that awful dusty colourwash I wonder

smallfry 10th Oct 2017 13:15

great link to the CGI work... very interesting and realistic!

canberra97 10th Oct 2017 13:53

The blue could have been a more appropriate BOAC dark blue and a lot neater as well and why did they add the refuelling probe in the CGI.


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