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megan 26th Sep 2017 06:57

T-28 Trojan
 
Looking for a photo of one of the two prototypes that were built. Designated XT-28, company designation NA-159. Believe they were tail draggers, prior to having the nose wheel fitted on the production aircraft. Many thanks in advance.

rjtjrt 26th Sep 2017 07:01

T-28 History Timeline

Scroll down a little and there is a photo of Tailwheel T-28

treadigraph 26th Sep 2017 07:03

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.timetoas...jpg?1477241118

From...

Webpage

Wasn't aware they prototypes were taildraggers!

Edit: Snap!

Edit II - I think that's a Columbia XLJ behind...

sandiego89 26th Sep 2017 19:35


Originally Posted by megan (Post 9904172)
Looking for a photo of one of the two prototypes that were built. Designated XT-28, company designation NA-159. Believe they were tail draggers, prior to having the nose wheel fitted on the production aircraft. Many thanks in advance.


If I have my nomenclature correct, and am talking about the same thing, I believe the "prototype" or at least the forerunner to the T-28 were designated XSN2J-1, or company designator NA-142. 2 Built.


If you goggle XSN2J-1 you will come up with more photos and the wiki page.


Unsure if XT-28 was used to designate the same aircraft? I believe NA-142 was for these two tail draggers and NA-159 was for the T-28 we know today. Happy to be corrected.


I had the pleasure of climbing all around the rocks and rubble over the Northern end of Patuxent River NAS just as few years ago, looking for the Arado-234 remains that had been dumped as landfill, which I thought I had found, but subsequent investigation showed the crushed wing section was from the XSN2J-1. Still there. Not as exciting (for me) as the Arado- but still neat to find.

India Four Two 26th Sep 2017 21:01


Edit II - I think that's a Columbia XLJ behind
It certainly is, Treaders. Two years ago in California, I had the opportunity to clamber all over one that is being rebuilt for flight after a near fatal accident at Camp Pendleton.

A tricycle gear, “monoplane Duck”. It had a hatch in the bottom of the hull, to allow covert delivery of special forces.

The tail-dragger Trojan looks great - reminiscent of a Bearcat.

DaveReidUK 26th Sep 2017 22:12


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 9904176)
I think that's a Columbia XLJ behind...

Or an XJL, even.

X for Experimental status
J for Utility role
L for Columbia manufacturer

megan 27th Sep 2017 01:27


I believe NA-142 was for these two tail draggers and NA-159 was for the T-28 we know today
Seems you are correct sandiego89, thank you. Thank you too to rjtjrt and treadigraph for providing links and photos. Jobs done. Putting together a piece for input to history of a group of we Aussies who trained with the USN on the T-28B & C. Once again, thanks all. :ok:

megan 27th Sep 2017 06:31

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Found a nice photo on Boeings site. Speedbrakes in front of the flaps rather than the belly mounted on the T-28. The Ryan XN2R-1 Fireblaze lost the Navy trainer competition to the T-28.

treadigraph 27th Sep 2017 07:18


Or an XJL, even
I'd blame fat fingers but I know damn well it was a memory lapse in the three seconds it took to swap between Chrome tabs! :(

The Ryan Fireblaze is a new type to me, presume it was only a paper aircraft so to speak?

Jhieminga 27th Sep 2017 11:16


Originally Posted by megan (Post 9905203)
The Ryan XN2R-1 Fireblaze lost the Navy trainer competition to the T-28.

Don't believe everything you find on the internet, no such type ever existed! :cool:

treadigraph 27th Sep 2017 11:56

North American XSN2J

Vs

Fairchild XNQ

sandiego89 27th Sep 2017 14:34


Originally Posted by Jhieminga (Post 9905471)
Don't believe everything you find on the internet, no such type ever existed! :cool:


Agree, looks like a "what if" fictional drawing. And "Fireblaze" would have been a terrible name for an early jet trainer! :E

DaveReidUK 27th Sep 2017 16:14


Originally Posted by sandiego89 (Post 9905758)
Agree, looks like a "what if" fictional drawing. And "Fireblaze" would have been a terrible name for an early jet trainer!

"The Fireblaze was created [by the artist] using a stretched North American Fury as the basis, then incorporating elements from a Grumman Panther, a Northrop Scorpion, and a couple of others"

Stargazer's imaginary aircraft gallery ! © AviaDesign 2009-2010

megan 28th Sep 2017 00:13

Many thanks for the heads up Folks. :ok:

Don't believe everything you find on the internet
Know what you mean, or in books, Eric Browns tale of the XS-1 vis a vis the M.52 is a case in point.

SpazSinbad 29th Sep 2017 14:32


Originally Posted by megan (Post 9905099)
Seems you are correct sandiego89, thank you. Thank you too to rjtjrt and treadigraph for providing links and photos. Jobs done. Putting together a piece for input to history of a group of we Aussies who trained with the USN on the T-28B & C. Once again, thanks all. :ok:

'megan' I don't know if you have downloaded the 4.4 gigglebite PDF however there are a few pages about the USN trained aircrew (some of that info from the reunion several years back) which likely you may not have. Then there is RAN HFV info along with some history of pilots transitioning from the helo world to A4Gs. Using the search function in the PDF will quickly find relevant pages or use the bookmark pane. Pages could be extracted however at moment that is problematic (for some unknown reason and I have stopped editing this PDF for the moment).

oldpax 30th Sep 2017 02:20

Remember T-28s staging through Khormaksar in 1961,think they were for the Thai air force.

treadigraph 3rd Oct 2017 06:31

Want a turbine T-28?

Oldpax reminds me of the time I cycled up to Biggin in December '77 - there were three battered old radial relics parked between the end of 21 and the flying clubs. Had no idea what they were. Ex Zaire AF T-28s, they were joined by a fourth I think, and a fifth crashed en-route and can now be found at a museum in Norfolk. I think Ted White/Euroworld was the owner. They were there for some months and eventually went to the US.

surely not 3rd Oct 2017 09:38

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Treadigraph is this one that you saw? This was at the Biggin Hill Air Fair in 1979. From looking at a variety of sources I think it is N99160, North American T-28.

I took this photo and it was the Saturday of the show in 1979

treadigraph 3rd Oct 2017 09:50

Yes indeed, N99160 was one of them - cor, they were there longer than I thought.

surely not 3rd Oct 2017 09:57

When trying to find out which machine this was I seem to recall reading that most of the machines were gone by the middle of 1978. This one got there a little later than the others and I think had some tech probs that needed to be sorted out before it also departed to the USA.

I cannot remember where online I found the information, otherwise I'd quote the source.


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