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AirportsEd 2nd Aug 2016 16:51

Avro Lancastrian Tales
 
I know the Avro Lancastrians' years of service were relatively short-lived and a very long time ago but I have always had a soft spot for the type.
Are there any former Avro Lancastrian guys or girls still out there who can (politely!) tell us what they were like to operate or maintain?
Ed

Planemike 3rd Aug 2016 08:33

You might try Keith Hayward at British Airways Museum/Archive. He is ex BSAA who operated Lancastrians.

AirportsEd 3rd Aug 2016 09:30

Thanks Planemike,
I have thought about visiting the museum many, many times but never actually done it.
Must get round to it!
Ed

Phoenix1969 3rd Aug 2016 09:40

This mention of Lancastrian reminds me of the intriguing story of how one of them disappeared over the Andes in 1947, albeit the incident did NOT happen because of the aircraft type -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_B..._Dust_accident

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/sep/06/owenbowcott1

BBC News | UK | Lost plane found in Andes

Planemike 3rd Aug 2016 10:44


Originally Posted by AirportsEd (Post 9460327)
Thanks Planemike,
I have thought about visiting the museum many, many times but never actually done it.
Must get round to it! Ed


Ed, Do make the effort to go, well worth it. Fascinating archive. PM

AirportsEd 3rd Aug 2016 11:59

Thank you Phoenix.
I do remember reading about the Stardust crash and seeing a TV documentary about it once. Hadn't realized I had coincidentally started the thread on its anniversary.

Thank you Mike; I will sort it out!
Ed

tiny fireburn 4th Aug 2016 04:51

Avro Lancastrian Tales
 
Have you come across the book 'Stardust Falling' by Jay Rayner (Doubleday)? Its about the loss of Lancastrian Stardust and is a good read. Recommend it:

Phoenix1969 4th Aug 2016 10:02


Have you come across the book 'Stardust Falling' by Jay Rayner (Doubleday)?
I have now - thanks. Just ordered a copy on Amazon!

BTW, did anyone ever get to the bottom of why they transmitted that 'STENDEC' message, or is that covered in the book?

AirportsEd 4th Aug 2016 10:02

Hello Tiny,
No, I hadn't heard of it, that's a welcome surprise to me.
I will get a copy.
Thanks,
Ed.

ancientaviator62 5th Aug 2016 08:43

Was not the reported 'STENDEC' message a mishearing of the morse message sent by the a/c which was 'Star Tiger Descending' ?

Wander00 5th Aug 2016 09:16

STENDEC?????

PPRuNeUser0139 5th Aug 2016 09:50

Many theories as to its meaning explored here..

Tu.114 5th Aug 2016 14:03

There are some tales about day-to-day life on the BSAA Lancastrian in the book "Comets and Concordes (and those I flew before)" by Peter Duffey.

AirportsEd 5th Aug 2016 14:33

Thanks Tu144,
Another book I hadn't heard of.
Stardust Falling should drop through my letterbox in a day or so.
I will chase up a copy of Comets and Concordes!
Ed

ancientaviator62 6th Aug 2016 07:47

Wander,
as you will know the morse for E is a single dit and the morse for A is dah dit. The thought was that in fact it should have been read as a single morse letter dit dah dit. Which is R. So the message would be 'STRDEC and not STENDEC. As morse is one of the 'modern' shorthand texting systems this theory (not mine) seems to make as much sense as any other. As a Radio Amateur I have more than once misread a transmission in a similar manner especially when conditions were difficult. We will never know for certain of course.

Wander00 6th Aug 2016 08:28

Sometimes you wish you had not asked..........but thanks anyway!"

Phoenix1969 11th Aug 2016 10:27

My copy of 'Star Dust Falling' arrived today!

Many thanks to tiny fireburn for making me aware of it. Nice writing style, too. Really flows.

A good excerpt from the book, that Ppruners may relate to, is a joke concerning the slogans of the competing airlines in those days:

BOAC will take good care of you.
BEA will get you there and back again.
BSAA will inform your next of kin.

Geordie_Expat 11th Aug 2016 11:28


Originally Posted by ancientaviator62 (Post 9464548)
Wander,
as you will know the morse for E is a single dit and the morse for A is dah dit. The thought was that in fact it should have been read as a single morse letter dit dah dit. Which is R. So the message would be 'STRDEC and not STENDEC. As morse is one of the 'modern' shorthand texting systems this theory (not mine) seems to make as much sense as any other. As a Radio Amateur I have more than once misread a transmission in a similar manner especially when conditions were difficult. We will never know for certain of course.

Not surprised you misread if you think dah dit is A :) Try N.

Fantome 11th Aug 2016 11:30

No .. . 'A' is a short and a long.

cue for - three dits…four dits . . . two dits . . . dah

AirportsEd 11th Aug 2016 21:34

My copy of Star Dust Falling also arrived today (but haven't had chance to read it yet).
So it's thanks from me too Tiny!


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