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bobward 9th Feb 2023 11:03

The rebuild vs replica argument will carry on for a long while I think. For me, the prospect of a Mosquito, especially a bomber, flying in the UK is the real potential treat.

By the way, a few years ago I was in the museum in Edmonton where they have a Mossie dressed up as Russ Bannock's (?) machine, complete with four gun nose.
What jarred with me was that it had two stage Merlin engines, just like the one's used in 633 Squadron and Mosquito Squadron years ago. Apologies for nit-picking.
Now off to dry clean my anorak again......

India Four Two 9th Feb 2023 12:25

Quite a few years ago now, I was lucky enough to have a well-connected friend at Ardmore. We wandered down to Avspecs to have a look at KA114, the first Mosquito they had rebuilt.

My friend John said to one of the engineers that he knew:
"Can we have a look?"
"Sure hop in."

That's how I got to sit in the cockpit of an airworthy Mosquito. Unfortunately I never got to see it fly.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a1638af6cc.jpg
Here's my well connected friend, John.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5c681cb21e.jpg
One of my treasured photos. A very poor quality picture but those are my knees!


It's interesting that the bomber variants have control wheels, but the fighter variants have sticks.

I thoroughly recommend these videos where Warren Denholme from Avspecs describes how it is built and Keith Skilling, one of the test pilots, is explaining what it is like to fly a Mosquito, after they both flew to Tauranga from Ardmore:

Mosquito Rescue:

Flying the Mozzie:

GeeRam 9th Feb 2023 12:54


Originally Posted by bobward (Post 11382774)
The rebuild vs replica argument will carry on for a long while I think. For me, the prospect of a Mosquito, especially a bomber, flying in the UK is the real potential treat.

But, there is no prospect of a glazed nose bomber version ever flying in the UK again, unless some new group or individual buys the B.IV project (DZ452) from Avspecs that is for sale at $9m all-in completed and flying...?
Both the Peoples Mosquito project, and this new BHHH project are both solid nose FB/NF versions.


Originally Posted by bobward (Post 11382774)
By the way, a few years ago I was in the museum in Edmonton where they have a Mossie dressed up as Russ Bannock's (?) machine, complete with four gun nose.
What jarred with me was that it had two stage Merlin engines, just like the one's used in 633 Squadron and Mosquito Squadron years ago. Apologies for nit-picking.
Now off to dry clean my anorak again......

Ex-Spartan Air Services B.35, VP189, has been in that fake, butchered, solid nose configuration for decades now, I think since the mid 1970's at least.

bobward 9th Feb 2023 19:23

GeeRam,
Thanks for the corrections and comments. I didn't realise how long the B35 had been on display. There are some other real treasures in that museum as well.
In fact there are a whole series of amazing museums over in Canada that I've been lucky enough to see over several visits across the pond.

Commander Taco 10th Feb 2023 03:29


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 11382651)
Despite many claims that Kermit Weeks B.35 (RS712) needs new wings, I believe from those that know Mossie's and have seen it in recent times, if he so chose to, its still in good enough condition structurally, to be returned to the air, despite it spending a couple of years in the heat and humidity of Florida before being flown off to a more suitable long term storage climate.

I believe Weeks’ Mosquito has been stored and displayed in a controlled environment hangar in Oshkosh for several decades. At least that’s what his staff at his Fantasy of Flight Museum in Florida told me.

Incidentally, Jerry Yagens brought his Mosquito (as well as his ME-262 and FW190, but that’s another story) up to the Hamilton, Ontario air show about ten years ago. I was fortunate to be able to get up into the cockpit and I must say, the detail and quality of what the NZ rebuilders produce is utterly astonishing.

During the flying display, it was marvelous to watch the Mosquito, FW190 and ME-262 stern chase each other around the airfield.



India Four Two 10th Feb 2023 07:47


I believe Weeks’ Mosquito has been stored and displayed in a controlled environment hangar in Oshkosh for several decades.

DeHavilland Mosquito - Tour Part 1 - Kermie Cam


GeeRam 10th Feb 2023 08:34


Originally Posted by Commander Taco (Post 11383215)
I believe Weeks’ Mosquito has been stored and displayed in a controlled environment hangar in Oshkosh for several decades. At least that’s what his staff at his Fantasy of Flight Museum in Florida told me.

Yes, been there since about 1991/2 IIRC, so 30 years now, and also, how long since it last flew...!!

Funnily enough, I visited his old small Tamiami facility back in 1989, so, only 2 years or so since it had made the ferry flight over from UK, and the Mossie was sitting inside the blister hangar, but with the front open to elements, so very hot and humid. After a nostalgic look around the Mossie, (as had seen it in UK on several occasions) I went into the small gift shop, and low and behold, Kermit was manning the till in the gift shop. I asked outright if he wasn't concerned, given the nature of the problems they suffered in the Far East during service, that the similar conditions in Florida might soon render it unairworthy.
He was rather surprised, somewhat dissmissive of the suggestion, citing his soon to be grand plan, which was Fantasy of Flight, and air conditioned facility etc. However, it was interesting that within another year or two, he had flown the aircraft to EAA and has left it there ever since.


treadigraph 24th Feb 2023 17:26

Hmmm, you can now get wooden fountain pens made out of wood gleaned from original stringers/spars of Mosquito KA114, now airworthy with Jerry Yagen in Virginia.

GeeRam 24th Feb 2023 21:12


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11391065)
Hmmm, you can now get wooden fountain pens made out of wood gleaned from original stringers/spars of Mosquito KA114, now airworthy with Jerry Yagen in Virginia.

Good idea really.

Given the state of what was left of it after it had been sitting rotting away outside for 4 decades....it was no more than firewood really.






megan 25th Feb 2023 02:04


It's interesting that the bomber variants have control wheels, but the fighter variants have sticks
Read somewhere that the fighter chaps wished it had been fitted with the bomber control wheel, better able to put in some muscle for maneuvering and provide steadier control for gun aiming.

India Four Two 25th Feb 2023 02:32


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11391238)
Read somewhere that the fighter chaps wished it had been fitted with the bomber control wheel, better able to put in some muscle for maneuvering and provide steadier control for gun aiming.

Like the P-38 Lightning.

After my very brief exposure to a two-seat Spitfire doing no more than 250 kts, I felt that the spade grip would be essential at higher speeds, since you would need two hands to roll it - the ailerons were very heavy.

treadigraph 25th Feb 2023 06:09


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 11391160)
Good idea really.

Given the state of what was left of it after it had been sitting rotting away outside for 4 decades....it was no more than firewood really.

Of course... mind you, two things militate against me buying one, the price and being left handed which renders any attempts to write neatly with a fountain pen into a Rorschach test...

tdracer 25th Feb 2023 16:15


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11391065)
Hmmm, you can now get wooden fountain pens made out of wood gleaned from original stringers/spars of Mosquito KA114, now airworthy with Jerry Yagen in Virginia.

Do you know where one might find one to buy (and how much)?
That might be a cool keepsake...

treadigraph 25th Feb 2023 16:20

Not sure that I should supply a direct link - google Wig and Pens, they can be found under pens/military!

megan 26th Feb 2023 01:37


Like the P-38 Lightning
There were those who wanted the P-38 to be fitted with a fighter style "stick". Link provides one insight at 4(j).

P-38F Tactical Trials


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