Originally Posted by SSD
Anyone know what this aeroplane actually did on its last flight?
As shown on a different video posted on the VTTS forum website. |
Many thanks, Speak.
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Well done speak. A far better effort than what was produced from the other side of the runway.
Anyone is free to add their own thoughts to what they were seeing and add it to their memories of past involvements (mine at Finningley in 65/66 working on 558 and others) or what they saw over the last 8 years or more. |
What a brilliant and well done video, it seems strange to me that an aircraft my Uncle Les was connected with at 617 was relevant through out my early and teenage years has just stopped flying in the skies around the UK, what a design crew that must have had, not only is it a serious salute to the RAF, but also the AVRO company and Roy Chadwick with his skilled engineers, I doubt any of us will ever see such ability again.
Thank you Spekesoftly for such a good and embracing final flight record, just wonderful. Peter R-B :ok::D:D |
SSD, f12 and P-RB
Kind words and thank you, but just to put the record straight, the video was not made by me, and if I inadvertently gave that impression, my apologies. I simply found it on the VTTS website. |
speke, no I knew it was a VVTS video. Just thanks for finding and posting it.
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We call it the Avro Vulcan, never the BAe Vulcan. So why is (sorry, was) it powered by RR Olympus, not Bristol Olympus?
Or to put it another way, why is Avro given the recognition it richly deserves but Bristol ignored? |
A superb machine (despite the "military" cockpit). It looks right and probably flew right too. I've only known a couple of people that flew it and they loved it (despite THAT smell) It's a pity the RAF crashed the first one, at Heathrow of all places too. Some sort of Air Marshall in the cockpit, A PAR "talkdown", they didn't get it right (all those medals and they still couldn't land.....) both pilots ejected and left their colleagues to fry....
Apparently the Air Marshall's brother was an interesting case also. |
PJ, your post is just offensive. NO, it's downright ignorant too.
Shame on you. |
Why?......
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Why??? Are you serious?
OK, I'll bite. despite the "military" cockpit despite THAT smell It's a pity the RAF crashed the first one at Heathrow of all places too Some sort of Air Marshall btw, the spelling is Marshal with one "l". all those medals and they still couldn't land.....) both pilots ejected and left their colleagues to fry They didn't specify the ejector seat fit. The Sec. of State for Air told Parliament it was their "duty" to eject. Are you really so arrogant you feel qualified to overrule his view? Or just so qualified in 1950s military morals and ethics to know that one just doesn't eject if anyone else is going to be hurt? What would you have done? Poignantly failed to eject and die with the others in the most futile of futile gestures I suppose. Yeah right. And a final nasty personal swipe at his brother for offences apparently upsetting to Private Jet of an unspecified nature. That's shameful too. So, you se, there's scarcely a word of your post that isn't unpleasant, inaccurate, spiteful or just downright nasty. A mean, spiteful, little futile gesture is what you are, that's for sure, and that's being very polite indeed. |
You think a "military cockpit" detracted from the machine's quality? Why? How? What was wrong with it? What other type of cockpit do you suggest a military aircraft should have? I take it you think there a civilian alternative that would have been more suitable? The smell of a Vulcan put people off loving it? First I've heard of that. I'd always been told everyone loved the characteristic smell... "The" first Vulcan, was it? No prototypes made beforehand then? Perhaps you meant "their" first one which isn't the same thing. Your unnecessarily sarcastic point is rather undermined by inaccuracy. Sloppy God, they've gone and had an accident at Heathrow (roll eyes). Bah! Whatever will the fools do next. And your point is...? You seem to have a grudge against Air Marshals, and/or the RAF. Superiority complex? That's just nasty, spiteful and infantile. What is your problem with the RAF? And a final nasty personal swipe at his brother for offences apparently upsetting to Private Jet of an unspecified nature. That's shameful too. |
Originally Posted by Private jet
(Post 9163423)
A PAR "talkdown", they didn't get it right (all those medals and they still couldn't land.....)
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Well, I had the privilege to fly with an ex Vulcan nav when on 39 sqn (Canberra PR9)who attended the infamous Bomber Command Dining In Night for all V force crews at I believe Scampton. He recalled that the same Air Marshal was the guest of honour and was repeatedly shouted down when he attempted to deliver an after dinner speech until he gave up. The calls from the floor were he said "Murderer, murderer" This was before my time in the RAF but I believe my nav completely. I doubt all of Bomber Command could be wrong. This embarrassing spectacle and subsequent mayhem were suppressed with a D Notice.
As regards the cockpit, it was originally designed for 1 pilot, so unsurprisingly cramped for 2. I assume the GCA at LHR was a PAR, I find it impossible to believe that a controller could fail to advise deviations from the glide slope, such guidance being part and parcel of this type of approach. If it was an SRA he would just have passed advisory heights. Either way, I believe the Vulcan's pressure instruments at that time were not fully calibrated and a diversion would have been prudent. The aircraft captain showed poor command qualities in allowing the approach to continue in poor weather conditions. I make this contribution fully aware of the Air Marshal's wartime career, but in this instance I believe his actions were responsible for the loss of 4 lives, and if my nav is to be believed, so did the crews of Bomber Command at Scampton that infamous night. |
Is it true the cockpit was originally designed for 1 pilot? I'd heard this but have been unable to get confirmation. Can anyone point me at a definitive answer?
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Originally Posted by SSD
Is it true the cockpit was originally designed for 1 pilot? I'd heard this but have been unable to get confirmation. Can anyone point me at a definitive answer?
Originally Posted by Private jet
You mean the mix of "hydraulic fluid and vomit"?
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Originally Posted by flapsin
(Post 9164224)
The aircraft captain showed poor command qualities in allowing the approach to continue in poor weather conditions.
I make this contribution fully aware of the Air Marshal's wartime career, but in this instance I believe his actions were responsible for the loss of 4 lives Or is the suggestion that it was pressure from his distinguished co-pilot that led Howard to continue an approach that he should have thrown away? |
Thanks sooty. That explains why I have not seen confirmation of single pilot.
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