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Genghis the Engineer 30th Jan 2015 08:39

"Now"? It always was.

And all historians will concentrate upon the bits of a story that matter to their interests. To, for example, a social historian the only interesting part of this conversation is when you could cross the Atlantic, and what it cost.

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evansb 30th Jan 2015 10:22

Too many stops. Personally, I want to see a civilian jetliner with a Heathrow to JFK time, non-stop, attached to a Mach number of .92. 1954.. ? ain't gonna happen.. 1955? 1956? 1957?..

Avro Jetliner? Canadians were pretty good...
http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/...20jetliner.jpg

DaveReidUK 30th Jan 2015 10:37

Interesting thread. So far, three "firsts" identified:

First jet across the Atlantic
First jet non-stop across the Atlantic
First jet non-stop, unrefuelled across the Atlantic

ian16th 30th Jan 2015 10:44

The Vampire trip is well documented!

1948 | 1135 | Flight Archive

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The 'I' above is a link!

evansb 30th Jan 2015 10:51

History writers strive to be factual. Facts are a historian's "reason d'etre". If RAF Vampires crossed the Atlantic with three stops, so be it it. Recorded. Fact. Just give me dates, times and provenance. Love the Vampire by the way...

RCAF Vampire:
http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/...Vampire_01.jpg

joy ride 30th Jan 2015 19:16

Evansb wrote:

History writers strive to be factual. Facts are a historian's "reason d'etre".

I think your sentence should start with the word "Good" !

Sadly a lot of history is coloured or even falsified by national pride. In my opinion powerful nations tend to have the most pride and are the ones most prone to promote their nationalistically-coloured version of history. The Romans did it when they were powerful, Britain did it when it was powerful. Now other countries have the power and I think it is important that we study good, fact based history. Sadly I do not think the BBC has done so here.

Allan Lupton 30th Jan 2015 22:22

History is often said to be written by the winners.
Today, when we in the UK have been marking 50 years since Churchill's funeral it seems apposite to remember that Churchill once said of Stanley Baldwin, in the House of Commons. ‘History will say that the right honourable gentleman was wrong. I know it will, because I shall write the history.’



CNH 30th Jan 2015 23:05

Come on - don't you know the aphorism?

"History is written by the victors."

maat 31st Jan 2015 00:10

B is for..
 

Despite the first B of BBC standing for British
B is for Bolshevik, ( Russian: “One of the Majority”) , plural Bolsheviks, or Bolsheviki, member of a wing of the Russian Social-Democratic Workers' Party, which, led by Lenin, seized control of the government in Russia (October 1917) and became the dominant political power.

Flybiker7000 2nd Feb 2015 14:39

Vampire picture
 
The Vampire looks beautifull calm in the air.
Recently I came past this picture, on wich the Vampire looks almost like floating on/in the air:
https://www.facebook.com/26522483471...e=1&permPage=1


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