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JulianHolroyd 22nd Oct 2010 22:38

Neville Browning
 
Hi, I just signed up. I'm an ex-R.A.F. engineer working at Fleetlands, Gosport.
I'm also a keen freelance writer, currently working on an article about male role models. I remember Neville Browning (a real gentleman) from my teens at Headcorn, his party trick was to fly a zlin upside down along the runway! I'd like to write up some history about Neville, and perhaps make an article for Flypast. Such people should not be forgotten!

Anyone?

Cheers

Julian

John Eacott 24th Oct 2010 09:22

Neville was one of my instructors at Stapleford Tawney in 1965: great man to fly with :)

As our steed was the stable and unspinnable Ercoupe, so we would spend 20 minutes in a Chippie prior to solo being taught spin recovery. Neville's SOP was to do a low (< 50feet) beat up on return: inverted :eek:

He was also renowned for creating a bit of a disturbance during Farnborough, which year I can't recall. The nice man from the CAA called him a few days after the show to ask if he'd been flying at 'x' location, and whether he'd seen a formation of Sea Vixens? The conversation went along the lines of

Neville, were you flying last Saturday about 5nm west of Farnboro'

Yes

Did you happen to see some RN aircraft, in formation?

Yes, bloody things nearly ran into me, don't know what the world's coming to, no lookout, etc etc

Did you happen to read the NOTAM about Farnboro' Air Show?

No: did you send me a copy?

Please don't do it again, it rather spoilt the Sea Vixen's day, and put the programme a bit off schedule at SBAC

Classic Neville :D

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 24th Oct 2010 09:58

Is he still around??

Tony Mabelis 24th Oct 2010 10:08

Neville, flying his Miles Messenger with pet Greyhound sitting in the right seat, performed loops, if he did it right, (1g) then the dog stayed planted on the seat, if he did it wrong he got a filthy look from the dog floating around in mid air!

He would make his students demonstrate precautionary landings in one of his own farm paddocks, and the landing was only considered successful when the cow sh@# was all over the underside of the upper wings of the Tiger Moth!

Neville accompanied one of his students on a dual cross country excercise, from Stapleford to Redhill, while I was there.
On joining overhead Redhill aerodrome, he took control of the Tiger Moth rolled inverted and proceeded to fly the circuit inverted, only rolling right way up on short finals. (note: the engine only windmills during this manouver, and is very quiet!!)
Arriving at the Tiger Club hangar, the student (who was considerably shaken) made a "beeline" for the hangar phone, called a Taxi, and travelled back to Stapleford by train!!

Neville, wonderful guy, they dont make pilots like that anymore!!!
Tony M

JEM60 24th Oct 2010 12:58

HEATHROWDIRECTOR.
NO.I believe he dug a fatal smoking hole at a show quite some years ago, maybe as many as 25. He was flying a Zlin, as a I recall. I remember him doing aerobatics at RAF Halton show as another aircraft, which had been cleared, was taking off alongside his display line. He didn't seem to have much regard for ATC, and was regarded by people who flew in the same club as me, as a bit of a loose cannon.

treadigraph 24th Oct 2010 13:03

It was as long ago as 1972...

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 24th Oct 2010 13:17

<<they dont make pilots like that anymore!>>

Hmmmm... thank Heaven.

Tony Mabelis 24th Oct 2010 13:52

I believe that Neville learned to fly in the RFC in the first WW.
Tony

Sir George Cayley 24th Oct 2010 19:17

Saw NB at an RAF show at Finningley (sp?) in the Zlin.

Lowest pull out from inverted loops I've ever, ever seen.

SGC

D120A 24th Oct 2010 23:35

It was in September 1966 that NB disrupted the large RN formation flypast into the Farnborough Air Show; it was a working weekday and he was overhead RAF Odiham at the time. Those who saw the incident said that there were Sea Vixens and Scimitars going in all directions, apparently.

He then landed in the Zlin at Odiham (I recall he had his dog strapped in the other seat) and was interviewed by the Ops Officer. I recall the exchange "Haven't you seen the NOTAM?" and his reply "What's a NOTAM?" He had "come to see the aeroplanes".

Nobody there that day shared the affection and respect expressed elsewhere in this thread.

PPRuNe Pop 26th Oct 2010 06:54

I will add this. At a Biggin Air Fair - I think it was '70 or '71. NB flew his 'usual' inverted Zlin at around 50' almost OVER the leading edge of the crowd line! Very, very dangerous. That, is how I remember him. How he died is how he was bound to die.

treadigraph 26th Oct 2010 08:25


NB flew his 'usual' inverted Zlin at around 50' almost OVER the leading edge of the crowd line
Interesting... a few months ago, either on here or Flypast, there were several photos of a very low inverted Zlin over the crowd at Biggin and allegedly flown by Neil Williams. In view of Neil's relief at not having come down in the crowd when he famously demolished a Stampe at Biggin a couple of years earlier, I wonder if those pics were actually Neville Browning?

eddy dodwell 23rd Dec 2010 00:21

Neville Browning
 
I was given a flight by Neville Browning circa 1960 (G-ARCU Piper Tri-Pacer) for winning an aeronautical 'quiz' in the Ilford Pictorial. There were 3 winners and he flew over each of our houses around the Ilford area...........I was a regular spotter in my teenage years and have wonderful recollections of Messengers,Gemini,Moths etc. and remember well the ill-fated Tawney Owl....
Golden Days !

Keith Baynes 14th Nov 2012 21:37

Neville Browning
 
I used to fly with Neville Browning in the Herts and Essex club's Prentice and Chipmunk. I had learned on the Prentice in the RAF. I did the Neville Bread Run on one occasion - doing a pretend dead engine forced landing in the Prentice in a farmer's air strip in Fyfield, having a drink at the local, going to the baker, getting REAL bread, and then back to Stapleford Tawney. My memories are of the most incredibly gifted pilot who, in chatting to friends was asked why he did his aerobtics so low. His answer? "I'm older than anyone else, so it doesn't matter any more,"

I was indirectly instrumental in getting the BBC to produce a short programme of Neville. This was shown just after his death. Luckily I have a DVD of that programme. Unruly? Yes, but what a gentleman!

Warmtoast 19th Nov 2012 09:29

tredigraph


Interesting... a few months ago, either on here or Flypast, there were several photos of a very low inverted Zlin over the crowd at Biggin and allegedly flown by Neil Williams. In view of Neil's relief at not having come down in the crowd when he famously demolished a Stampe at Biggin a couple of years earlier, I wonder if those pics were actually Neville Browning?
My cine-film screen grabs of Neil Williams upside down at Biggin in the early 1960's can be seen here:
http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...ml#post5054432

ISTR that Neil's Zlin had some sort of logo on the upper wing surface advertising something or other, not sure what, but that's why I identified it as his Zlin.

scotbill 19th Nov 2012 10:15


At a Biggin Air Fair - I think it was '70 or '71. NB flew his 'usual' inverted Zlin at around 50' almost OVER the leading edge of the crowd line! Very, very dangerous. That, is how I remember him. How he died is how he was bound to die.
Dying while doing aerobatics at age 71 is not such a bad way for a pilot to go.

As I recall, Neville was a member of the Black Cat club which was an unofficial (and unapproved) sub-section of the Tiger Club - for those who had survived the total destruction of an aircraft. One of the clauses of its constitution was that,at the discretion of the committee, posthumous applications for membership might be entertained.

And, yes, he was a gentleman.

Schiller 19th Nov 2012 11:22

Neville Browning was my instructor on Tiger Moths at Stapleford in 1958. We started on aeros as soon as I'd completed my first solo. Before that, however, he would regularly brighten up a long circuit-bashing session by doing an inverted circuit, rolling out at the last minute. Very alarming, as we had Sutton harnesses, so there was no chance of tightening the straps before we rolled, so one ended up hanging out of the cockpit with the fuel from the tank overflow streaming past one's nose.

I believe it was true that he fought in WW1 in Sopwith Pups. If so, then I reckon that just makes me just a second-generation aviator.

KZ8 19th Nov 2012 11:41

Warmtoast's cine-film grabs are of Neville Browning's Zlin G-ASIM.

All the best

KZ8

Warmtoast 19th Nov 2012 16:48

KZ8

Thanks for the correction.

WT

KZ8 19th Nov 2012 19:20

WT, you're welcome.

Amongst other great things, I believe Neville Browning was responsible for negotiating with Albert Reusch for the import of several lovely Bucker Jungmeister aircraft in the late 1960s, which certainly contributed greatly to the sport flying scene. I spent many happy weekends watching Roy Legg fly his at Barnstormers Airshows. One of the aircraft G-AXNI turned out to be the first production example, I believe. I think it's now in the USA.


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