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blind pew 29th Nov 2017 13:55

Sqwark
 
Iirc all civil or maybe just Airways were Alpha with one of the others for military.

Channings procedure of plugging the autopilot in at 500ft was unusual on the fleet. The only other one who I remember doing it was Stan Key on papa india.
Analog autopilot which was ok if you were in stable flight, if not it hunted.
Generally only used before clean up if skipper had hangover, knackered or couldn’t fly.
Those were the days.

chevvron 29th Nov 2017 15:03


Originally Posted by blind pew (Post 9973085)
Iirc we didn’t have mode Charlie at that time..and all transponder codes were Alpha.
Channings procedure of plugging the autopilot in at 500ft was unusual on the fleet. The only other one who I remember doing it was Stan Key on papa india.
Analog autopilot which was ok if you were in stable flight, if not it hunted.
Generally only used before clean up if skipper had hangover, knackered or couldn’t fly.
Those were the days.

If you're talking Trident autopilot, I did a 2 week course (for ATCO Cadets) on the sims at Viking House in '74 and I'm sure we were taught to engage autopilot once we had positive ROC and gear was travelling ie about Vr

blind pew 29th Nov 2017 15:50

That was the sim
 
According to one of the accident branch it flew differently to the aircraft.
It was far more stable and the electrics were not exposed to temperature and humidity changes nor our tent peg landings.
You will probably notice no positive climb call and the poor RT discipline..would have been rollocked for it if I did that in those days.
In reality the autopilot wasn’t as smooth as most of the pilots... different today as I always notice when nigel takes the autopilot out and tries to pole it.
Would have probably been min V2 + 10 or 20

Talkdownman 29th Nov 2017 16:10


Originally Posted by Discorde (Post 9973052)
This diagram shows controlled airspace over southern England in the mid-1950s. I believe the airway colour designations were:

approx north-south orientation: amber and blue
approx east-west: red and green

although Blue 1 ran east from Manchester east towards Ottringham VOR. There were also airways designated white

Blue 1 started life as Green 2. Great diagram!

I can remember the names of the LATCC controllers and some of the Heathrow controllers shown in the film.

chevvron 29th Nov 2017 19:24


Originally Posted by Talkdownman (Post 9973219)
Blue 1 started life as Green 2. Great diagram!

I can remember the names of the LATCC controllers and some of the Heathrow controllers shown in the film.

Diagram shows 'Whitchurch' (now called Hengrove Park) as Bristol's airport. That was closed about '57 when Lulsgate was re-opened.
Notable that Gatwick does not appear at all; I suppose it was still being re-built.

flash8 1st Dec 2017 13:19

With only seconds of coverage up front this must have disappointed a lot of people.

As I am here... I had to have a double take of "young" Bob Holness... as a child of the "Blockbusters" TV show generation I remember him (80's) as much much older... he certainly aged in ten years or so!

chevvron 1st Dec 2017 14:54


Originally Posted by flash8 (Post 9975363)
With only seconds of coverage up front this must have disappointed a lot of people.

As I am here... I had to have a double take of "young" Bob Holness... as a child of the "Blockbusters" TV show generation I remember him (80's) as much much older... he certainly aged in ten years or so!

I think Bob Holness was one of the residents on 'Nationwide' which followed the BBC 6pm news.

Brian 48nav 2nd Dec 2017 08:37

Talkdown Man
 
Check your PMs please!

Squawk 6042 2nd Dec 2017 09:14


Originally Posted by Discorde (Post 9973052)
This diagram shows controlled airspace over southern England in the mid-1950s.


Interesting diagram – It shows what appears to be a ‘Blue 1’ in Sector 7.

By the 70’s (if not earlier), Blue 1 began from Eagle Island VOR off the west coast of Ireland, then on to Dublin, Wallasey, Ottringham, reporting points Dogger and Bluebell, then on into Dutch airspace at 'SPY' (not going to spell out this one!) and then onwards and eastwards.


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