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ozbeowulf 29th Nov 2007 22:37

Not Aurora or any other stealth aircraft.

This aircraft's job description was much more mundane, though it did attract military interest.

Designed by engineers formerly employed by a major (at the time) light aircraft manufacturer, this bird utilised three of the latest design concepts when it first flew.

Edit: A few clues, because that photo doesn't give away much. (Best I could do, though; it's a frame from a video clip. I'll post the link to the clip eventually.)

Think late 1930s, a somewhat unusual configuration, and excellent visibility for the aircrew.

Kitbag 29th Nov 2007 23:30

All the glazing makes it look vaguely helicopter-ish a bit like the Sikorsky R5, but it isn't that, pilot appears to be Australian or American. Appears to have control wheels rather than columns. I suspect it is late 30's early 40's, abandoned due to WWII? Convinced its rotary, but can't pin it down.

ozbeowulf 29th Nov 2007 23:58

Despite appearances, Kitbag, it's not a rotary-wing aircraft.
Also not Australian.

You're quite correct re late 1930s and "abandoned due to WWII."

Kitbag 30th Nov 2007 07:11

Not Mr Abrams Explorer? Layout like an Edgely Optica but flown by Flash Gordon!

ozbeowulf 30th Nov 2007 08:19

Well done, Kitbag!:ok: It is the Abrams Explorer. You have control.

http://xs121.xs.to/xs121/07485/abrams_3.jpg

Although the designers of the Explorer did not invent tricycle landing gear, twin booms or cabin pressurisation, the Abrams company successfully used all three on this 1937 aircraft.

The Explorer was doing government survey flights when WWII began. Although the Abrams could top 200 mph, the US Army decided to use faster, more survivable, fighter aircraft instead. Only one Explorer was built; it is now owned by the Smithsonian.

There is a short, but interesting, video clip at... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsaAe...eature=related

Glenn

Kitbag 30th Nov 2007 11:07

Sadly my fund of suitable cockpit photos is still empty, although I have great hopes of a recent investment.

However as before - open house gents

Just a note added to say I liked the video of the Abrams, especially the clipped commentary Fantastic:ok:

Kitbag 30th Nov 2007 17:37

On the other hand, just came across this little beaut:)

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...eston/WC24.jpg

evansb 30th Nov 2007 17:58

Kitbag's challenge
 
Beauty! Check your PM.

Kitbag 30th Nov 2007 23:46

PM checked. Turn about. Your move.

evansb 1st Dec 2007 06:13

Ahh...well, I would prefer some other ppruner identify the cockpit outside of a PM, but if you are really giving me control without identifying
the cockpit, hmm..let me think about this until I have at least 6 hours rest, thanks.

ozbeowulf 1st Dec 2007 06:54

Congrats to evansb for identifying the mystery cockpit, but I'm baffled. I haven't even worked out how the pilot saw out of the aircraft.

Someone please tell all. :O

Glenn

the incivil beast 1st Dec 2007 08:54


I haven't even worked out how the pilot saw out of the aircraft.
If you look closely, it looks like the central part of the "ceiling" is actually some thin tarpaulin and that the real winscreen is behind it

seacue 1st Dec 2007 11:51

What is the machine with the mystery cockpit - for us unwashed?

Fitter2 1st Dec 2007 12:45

The fenestration looks rather like a Wittman Tailwind, but the panel looks rather older and European (French?)

old,not bold 1st Dec 2007 13:01

Reminds me of a crop-sprayer I once had some fun in.....but that doesn't account for the dual rudder pedals, if that's what they are.

evansb 1st Dec 2007 20:13

It is a 1929 St. Louis C2-110 Super Cardinal. Only 6 were built. It is powered by a 100-hp Kinner radial engine. Open house.

Fitter2 1st Dec 2007 20:36

Well, that fell into the 'not in a million years' category. This, however, is a 'just to keep the game going', as my sister used to say before cleaning me out at Monopoly.


http://i2.tinypic.com/8atw8ex.jpg

windriver 1st Dec 2007 21:34

Looks like the pilot really wanted to make sure he never got lost!...

Where to start? Having confused a Buccaneer with a Javelin on another thread I have no more face to lose...

Is the disconnected monocycle "thingy" in the top left of the picture of any relevance to the subject aircraft.

So for starters is this some sort of US "record breaker" type aircraft?

ozbeowulf 1st Dec 2007 21:55

fitter 2's challenge...
 
Lot of "where am I?" gadgets, but no engine instruments, and what looks like a speedbrake handle on the left. A sailplane set up for distance events, me thinks.

Fitter2 1st Dec 2007 22:21

Lots of 'where am I' indeed (there actually 4 independant GPS visible, and another one out of sight), but there is an engine instrument/control bottom left. Given the duplicated sensitive VSIs, a sailplane would be a good start.

the incivil beast 1st Dec 2007 23:01

Definitely a glider, as indicated by the yellow tow release handle and the wings of the one in front.

Back seat of an open-class two seater. As the ASH-25 is out because of the split canopy, one would say Schemp-Hirth Nimbus 4D


Is the disconnected monocycle "thingy" in the top left of the picture of any relevance to the subject aircraft.
It's a trolley wheel used for ground handling

larssnowpharter 2nd Dec 2007 03:01

Perhaps the Duo Discus turbo.

Fitter2 2nd Dec 2007 07:37

Incivil Beast is correct - the rear cockpit of a Nimbus 4DM. The flap handle on the left ruled out the DuoDiscus, although the cockpit differences from a 3D are quite small (the handling is another matter).

Beast has control.
.

larssnowpharter 2nd Dec 2007 11:45

Even if one got the ident wrong, one wishes to put on record that one did one's 500 km in wood and fabric with a map and a compass and NOT 4 GPS thingies!!!!!:eek:

ozbeowulf 2nd Dec 2007 12:50

larssnowpharter's comment...
 
I feel your pain, Lars...

The most sophisticated sailplane I ever flew was a 1-32, which dates me with the dinosaurs, too. No electrics at all, let alone GPS.

Ah, well, we can look at it this way: The old memories come free with the other pleasures of being an old foop!

Cheers,

Glenn

MReyn24050 2nd Dec 2007 18:12

Next Challenge
 
To keep the thread going here is the next one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...pitquiz298.jpg
Mel

the incivil beast 2nd Dec 2007 21:40

Sorry, have been away and busy for all the day.

Handley-Page 0/400 per chance ?

MReyn24050 2nd Dec 2007 22:12

Mel's Challenge
 
the incivil beast. :uhoh: I do apologise for jumping in, I just looked back and noticed that by rights it is your throw. If you wish I will remove my photograph. It is not the Handley-Page 0/400 by the way.
Mel

the incivil beast 2nd Dec 2007 22:27

No problem, leave it where it is, the show must go on.

If you don't mind, I'll just slip my pic in before the next winner's.

Looks rather like a post WWI transport, Farman F-60 Goliath ?

evansb 3rd Dec 2007 15:17

Mel's challenge
 
An "Aero-Limousine" built by the Grahame-White Aviation Company of Hendon, England.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ite_hendon.jpg

MReyn24050 3rd Dec 2007 16:54

Mels Challenge
 
evansb has it once again :ok:. It is the Grahame-White Aero-Limousine.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...-Limousine.jpg
You have control

evansb 3rd Dec 2007 17:33

Thanks Mel! A great challenge! I understand it was designated the model E-8, and was the last Grahame-White aircraft built. Breguet, Salmson and Westland have also produced models named "Limousine". Here is the next 'What cockpit?'
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...40/6754609.jpg

con-pilot 3rd Dec 2007 18:55

Piper Cherokee 235? Or a Cherokee 6.

windriver 3rd Dec 2007 19:07

If not the Cherokee 6... a Commanche perhaps.

evansb 3rd Dec 2007 19:38

Sorry gents, she is not American made. There is an obscure American connection to the aircraft, however.

con-pilot 3rd Dec 2007 20:40

Sorry, I should have looked closer at the rudder peddles, not Piper.

MReyn24050 3rd Dec 2007 21:15

evansb's challenge
 
That looks like an Italian job to me i.e.SIAI-Marchetti S-205-20R perhaps?

evansb 3rd Dec 2007 21:49

Mel, you are spot on as usual:ok: The SIAI Marchetti S-205 first flew in 1964, and production continued until 1975, initially. Production was resumed in Italy from 1977 until 1980. Power ranged from 180-hp to 300-hp. WACO Aircraft in the United States assembled a 4-place version called the S-220 Sirius, and a 5-place version called the S-220-5 Vela, and may have been the last aircraft built by WACO. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...rchetti205.jpg

MReyn24050 3rd Dec 2007 21:55

The floor belongs to the incivil beast.
 
Thanks for that Bri. The floor is really the incivil beast's as I jumped in before he had a chance to post after winning control by getting fitter2's challange at Post #422.
Mel

the incivil beast 4th Dec 2007 13:25

I'm currently away from my home computer, on which I have a pic ready to post. If you can wait until this evening, that is.

Otherwise, I don't mind Mel posting an easy :E one to keep the thread running ...


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