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gruntie 27th Oct 2005 12:18

Packard-Merlin powered car
 
Simply awesome - and that's just the paint job!

55 Chevy

Maybe a candidate for "What cockpit"?

Say again s l o w l y 27th Oct 2005 15:23

WOW! I want one. I wonder if they'd swap it for a knackered Renault?

diginagain 27th Oct 2005 16:09

Bit cheeky, calling the donk a Packard. It clearly has a Rolls-Royce manufacturers plate on the rocker cover.

They'll be claiming they won the war single-handed next.

Agaricus bisporus 27th Oct 2005 17:46

I just hope the car was built by someone with an IQ and education standard some orders of magnitude higher than the numptie that wrote the blurb on that e-bay page. I have seldom seen such illiterate nonsense. I know six year olds with better english than that!

Onan the Clumsy 29th Oct 2005 03:18

I didn't think the English was THAT bad, especially considering it's no longer the primary language of this glorious country.


THIS ABSOLUTLEY GORGEOUS ONE OF A KIND 1955 CHEVY THAT ONCE BELONGED TO AVA GARDNER HAS BEEN TRANFORMED OVER A FIFTEEN YEAR PERIOD TO PAY HOMAGE TO THE P51 MUSTANG
wouldn't it pay more homage to install the engine in an actual P51?

Noah Zark. 29th Oct 2005 21:56

I remember many moons ago that a guy here in the U.K. who had a business ( repairing car automatic gearboxes, as I recall ) built a huge car around the outside of a Merlin, and put a R.R. grille on the front.
R.R. were mightily displeased at this, and through much public legal wrangling eventually made the guy remove the grille from his car.
The publicity, of course, didn't do the guy's business any harm at all, whilst it was felt that it did do R.R. no favours for being all-round mardy ar$es!

BEagle 29th Oct 2005 22:15

That was John Dodd's 'beast'. I understand it was actually powered by a RR Meteor tank engine - a non-supercharged Merlin? And it never managed anything like 200 mph...

Some info here: http://www.superjohn.f9.co.uk/thebeast.htm

Conan the Librarian 30th Oct 2005 00:06

But I believe it did get the World speed record for towing caravans, if memory serves right. Think it was 137mph or thereabouts. Remember reading it some 20 odd years ago. Looked like a big and not so subtle (!) Capri, didn't it?


Conan

Agaricus bisporus 31st Oct 2005 14:41

The only RR bit on Dodds' car was the radiator grille, and Rolls were mightily upset at him calling it a Roller. The bodywork and trim build quality (I looked it over closely) was dreadful, and the engine bay, even to a 14yr old, looked a bloody mess. The engine was a Rover unit from a tank (Merlin based admittedly, but no way a RR), and according to one of the contemporary car mags had been bought as scrap with a cracked block. Tyres I recall were Avon Turbospeeds rated at 130mph max. The hype and the reality were far apart. It eventually caught fire on an Autobahn and burned out.

Saw in the Sunday Times Mag this week that Jay Leno has a car he claims has a Merlin in it. Is this (mustang car) the same one?

cringe 31st Oct 2005 16:20

Leno's Phantom II with a tank engine:

http://media.popularmechanics.com/im...olead-lg-3.jpg

FJJP 31st Oct 2005 16:56

The one I remember looked like an overgrown Volvo [Simon Templar] sports car. It had a monstrously long bonnet with a RR radiator. It was definitely a RR Merlin aero engine in it [I saw it] and there was certainly no mistaking the sound; he could only run it for a few minutes stationery before it began to overheat.

RR did, indeed, threaten legal action to get him to remove the grill - until someone pointed out to them the publicity value. They promptly became sponsors and supplied much technical help.

It used to be taken for regular burn-ups on the Autobahns, where the Porsche-driving German Police could not catch it. However, the story goes that they created a roadblock to stop it - just to admire it!

It burned out during a charity visit to Norway...

Agaricus bisporus 2nd Nov 2005 13:06

FJJP, I hate to take issue but you've been caught by the Dodds bullshine. The car certainly looked impressive from a distance, but close up the reality was verey different. Dodds made a lot of noise about this car and was proved to be an utter charlatan in the end. It was NOT a Merlin but, as I said, a Rover built engine from a tank. Perhaps the RR rocker covers decieved you? The Tyres were rated at 130mph. The stories about the German Police being unable to catch it were invented, as it is doubtful the car could have exceeded 130mph tyres notwithstanding. Tales of it doing 200mph or roadblocks as the owner claimed, were utter rubbish. RR threatened to take him to court for usurping a trademark if he continued to claim it was a Rolls, and I do not believe that they would have had anything to do with such a shoddy piece of work, it really was an utter heap. Someone somewhere will still have a copy of the (Autocar?) mag article that exposed this sham, it made interesting reading. Somewhere I have some pictures of the car at Epsom racecourse. I will see if I can find them.

Bre901 3rd Nov 2005 19:48

A bit of search can help : last year's thread on same topic

FJJP 4th Nov 2005 07:28

Agaricus

Thanks for setting the record straight. I had no idea he was a BS - I took what was said at face value. Ho hum, it would have been a nice story if it were true...

FJJP

effortless 4th Nov 2005 08:16

I remember this particular Beast well. He used to do the Brighton speed trials from time to time. I quizzed Dodd on his "Spitfire engine" and said that I thought it to be a tank engine. He was very snotty about it.

For the record he never turned in much of a time. If I recall he was slower than a pre-war Dougless motorbike one year. It made a good noise though

teeteringhead 4th Nov 2005 08:37

ISTR one of the more sensible car magazines (possibly "Car") doing quite a long article exposing all of Dodd's BS.

They discovered (IIRC) that another journo's claim of 200 mph was based on what the speedo went up to (!) as the car wouldn't start during the journo's visit .... and the speedo was in kph anyway!! :rolleyes:

.. and on that principle, the Teetering Skoda can do 200 mph too! ;)


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