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jongar 4th Nov 2003 21:36

sorry to interupt but I was just phoned my a good friend, well placed to know. Apparently the crew are carrying drills and will disable in a very real manner the aircrafts flight systems once landed at boeing field. Apperently they wish to prevent any testing of conrdes sytems by engineers from an other aerospace company. I would have thought all the relevenat data woiuld be in the patent office and be available now, but can anyone else confirm the willful distruction of british taxpayers property

paulo 4th Nov 2003 22:28

Depends on what they are doing - if they remove some key systems (computer systems would be the easiest & most effective I'd guess) and take them away to lock up then arguably it's disabling not destroying.

Would BA allow anything to be done that would permanently cripple them? Hope not. Can't see anything in it for them.

simfly 4th Nov 2003 22:34

Why should BA have a problem with a manufacturer investigating Concorde's systems? Are they really that dead set against future supersonic travel????? :mad:

GlueBall 5th Nov 2003 04:22

Concorde. What Was That All About?
 
We have seen and lived the future. Now it's back to the 7 hours crossing. :{

willbav8r 5th Nov 2003 07:50

I'm afraid the retirement of Concorde, and the actions of numerous companies involved, not to mention the modern day travel nightmare, incompetent jobsworths running off "anoraks" etc makes me VERY glad that I left the UK.

If we think a bit, the Concorde saga is more than a sign of the general state of affairs.

I hope to see ingenuity, common sense, and technological triumph again someday. For now, it is plainly apparent that we are destined to recede towards the 1700's.

Hand Solo 5th Nov 2003 08:29


the modern day travel nightmare, incompetent jobsworths
Surely you've gone to the wrong country to escape those? Now take your shoes off and place them in the X-ray machine. Gotta love the TSA.

jrbt 6th Nov 2003 03:36

So this thread is now in "Aviation History and Hostalgia", huh? In my opinion that's premature. Just two hours ago I saw one take off from JFK runway 31L. Departure at 13:35 local, i.e. 18:35 UT, bound for Seattle.

Due to thick fog/haze and very low ceiling, could only see it for about three seconds in blurry silhouette while it was straight overhead at maybe 500 meters. But the sound was as massive as ever!

All other aircraft were departing on 4L, so Concorde had no competition on 31L.

Of interest: sources tell me Concorde got clearance to take a route over sparsely inhabited sections of Canada, supersonic! Flight continues as I type this! Yay! :D

jrbt 6th Nov 2003 03:52

Concorde thread (it's not completely "history" yet!)
 
In my opinion it's premature to put the Concorde thread in "Aviation History and Nostalgia" - because some actual flights do remain. Respectfully I say, why the rush?

Just two hours ago, from vantage point at north end of Cross Bay Bridge, I saw Concorde take off from JFK runway 31L. Departure at 13:35 local, i.e. 18:35 UT, bound for Seattle.

Due to thick fog/haze and very low ceiling, I and friend Craig could only see it for about three seconds in blurry silhouette while it was straight overhead at maybe 500 meters. But the sound was as massive as ever!

All other aircraft were departing on 4L, so Concorde had no competition on 31L.

Of interest: sources tell me Concorde got clearance to route over sparsely inhabited sections of Canada, supersonic! Flight continues as I type this! Yay! :D

747FOCAL 6th Nov 2003 03:56

I will be watching the concorde arriving at Boeing Field in 2 hours. :ok:

jrbt 6th Nov 2003 04:00

747focal,

Suggest double check arrival time since it could be sooner than the originally projected 2300 UT? Because it's flying supersonic not subsonic per earlier announced plan. But maybe route is longer than the originally expected route so it might cancel out? Anyway check.

One thing which makes me think it might get to Seattle early: in flying supersonic today, Concorde, I am told, decided to aim for new North American transcontinental record! Need we say - the old record doesn't have a prayer.

paulo 6th Nov 2003 04:58

Yep - the asked JFK ATC to officially record the airborne time and then send it in writing for the purpose of the record, err, 'attempt' :)

[the first thread to be moved into "History"was actually moved whilst it was still in commercial service. The next was Flying Lawyer's... the next the 490+ replies one which until then had been a practical catch-all soaking up what would otherwise be new threads in R&N... :rolleyes:]

downthebay 6th Nov 2003 05:21

G-BOAG has been on frequency with Boeing Tower and anticipates an arrival time of 1433 local, for those of you in Seattle.

DubTrub 6th Nov 2003 05:44

Im in London...anyone got a spare Concorde so I can get to Seattle in time?

Air Mail 6th Nov 2003 05:56

Doesn't the Lockheed Martin SR-71 Blackbird hold the record?

If so, I doubt the Concorde can compete with that, but good luck anyway!!

m&v 6th Nov 2003 06:01

Just witnessed Concord descending into SEA,o'head YVR at 1408.
ATC tried to talk captn into 'Lowand Over',but crew had prior commitments(Shame).Weather clear as a bell,nice contrail.:eek:

paulo 6th Nov 2003 06:32

Wonder if this Concorde leaves contrails???

http://www.michel-concorde.com/conco...lug/index.html

:) :) :)

cirrus32 6th Nov 2003 08:04

Just got back from Boeing Field. It was a beautiful day in Seattle. Concorde did a fly-over KBFI at approx. 3000' then turned and landed on 31L, taxied back to the Museum of Flight.

Very, very sad to see the end of an era.

NigelOnDraft 6th Nov 2003 15:28

Yes... judging from the actual Takeoff and Landing times, some Elks or whatever live in N Canada heard a loud boom last night!

From:
http://www.museumofflight.org/visit/concorde.html

Arrival information
Concorde has landed and set a new World's Record for New York to Seattle. Welcome to Seattle G-BOAG!

NoD

NineEighteen 6th Nov 2003 18:07

simfly wrote:

Why should BA have a problem with a manufacturer investigating Concorde's systems? Are they really that dead set against future supersonic travel?????
I agree, let Boeing take a look and hopefully, with the shared knowledge, a successor can be produced. Supersonic passenger travel should not be a thing of the past....it's absurd! :*

P.S. My greatest respect goes to Canada for allowing AG a final supersonic journey. Nice one! :ok:

Freeway 6th Nov 2003 18:46

On Wed Nov 5th 2003, Concorde G-BOAG, set a new record time for a commercial airliner, flying coast to coast between New York JFK and Seattle in 3hrs 55mins 12seconds.
The Canadian authorities permitted the flight to fly supersonically over land on its final flight to Seattle, were it will be retired and put on public display.


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