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Okay, time for a blatant plug for my website...........
http://members.aol.com/warwicaero/mi...aft/index.html
It's out of date somewhat, but I have spent the last 12 months or so coding for a new version which should be finished in the next few months. It's taking some time because I am a squashed hedgehog on the information superhighway, and need to keep reading my HTML instruction book
At least I have learnt to database for the individual identities, so no more cribbing from reams of A4.
Hopefully, the new site will have loads more technical data from my manual collection.
Cheers
http://members.aol.com/warwicaero/mi...aft/index.html
It's out of date somewhat, but I have spent the last 12 months or so coding for a new version which should be finished in the next few months. It's taking some time because I am a squashed hedgehog on the information superhighway, and need to keep reading my HTML instruction book
At least I have learnt to database for the individual identities, so no more cribbing from reams of A4.Hopefully, the new site will have loads more technical data from my manual collection.
Cheers
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HP - some pics from today then, pity the sun hadn't made an appearance by the time I had to depart... my nose will stop dripping soon, I hope.
...and the article I mentioned is here:
G-AKIN article
Couple of Old Warden reviews too (one more due up soon, keep an eye on the site each Friday night):
18th May 2002 and
24th August 2002
...and the article I mentioned is here:
G-AKIN article
Couple of Old Warden reviews too (one more due up soon, keep an eye on the site each Friday night):
18th May 2002 and
24th August 2002
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Hi DB,
Blimey - you were right on the case - Turdy - Nottingham - home - Net.
THe photos beat me home and I only had a quick pint.
Pity you had to zip off - I flew KBO twice today.
What about the crosswind?
OK - I know it was blowing up to 17kts at 90 degrees to the runway but - who needs a runway? I took off across the tarmac and was virtually airborne before I crossed onto the grass runway. It must have been no more than 50yds.
Into wind it is possible to use the full 30 flap - it just flopped onto the grass with hardly any ground roll.
Despite that, we were well inside the envelope - approach at 45mph/ stalls at 27 (yes really....)
Great day - probably repeat it all tomorrow.
I checked out your site - very impressive.
I am sure that KKKkken Ellis would be pleased to have a regular supply of your piccies.
HP
Hi Aerohack - I spent ages on the phone to Ron Souch - fascinating bloke. Thank you for putting us in touch.
WW Monarch.
Dr. Ian Dalziel. Now - theres an interesting bloke too....
What does anybody make of somebody who has an old wooden plane, spends lots of dough on hangarage yet allows his plane to moulder away in a damp hangar, allows mice to set up home (well...probably a high rise block by now....) and presumably cause grave internal damage; allows the thing to have its Registration cancelled by the CAA.
The Monarch isn't the sexiest of Miles machines ( I have the good fortune to claim that one....!) and the cost of restoration would exceed the end value by a huge margin.
However, it is a rare and thus important airframe that must be saved.
Saved it will be, even if it needs to wait until DrD turns his toes up and it is sold by his estate.
Trouble is - the longer it is left, the less of the original machine that will be incorporated in the rebuild.
Rumour has it also that it suffered a heavy landing on its last flight and may well have spar damage too?
Can anybody verify that?
Somebody out there has the inside track on Dr.D.
I have written to him at an address I was given -no reply.
I have sent 'please forward' letters to him to WW from where - presumably - his hangarage invoices originate - no reply.
I was given a phone number - left a message - nobody called me back.
OK - he may well be tired of anoraks pestering him but - well - - I have done a fair bit for the marque over the past couple of years. I even got Dr.D's mugshot published in FP - Kings Cup victor in 1979 flying Falcon G-AEEG.
You'd have though - wouldn't you? - that anybody with even the remotest interest in Miles machines would have enjoyed the recent publicity, gorgeous piccies and - well - just phoned me.....
Come on you guys at WW - what is the score with this bloke?
There has to be a reason why a learned man of letters is capable of behaving in such a strange way.
I would like to meet him. I would like to record his anecdotes on the Kings Cup win for posterity. It will be published. The aircraft history file demands it also.
No prizes for guessing that my letters to him contained a request for a picture of him with the aircraft and the Kings Cup. No prizes either for concluding that he simply ignored it. It took my good friends from Shipping and Airlines (Messenger G-AKVZ) at Biggin to stump one up. Thanks guys!
We are but the temporary custodians of our Nations aviation heritage. I take my responsibilities very seriously indeed.
Who knows how my fortunes will change - I may get a few quid together and expand my collection (of 2 only now..!).
If I do - then the Nation will benefit in future years. I hope they will stay together.
If I end up busted and they have to go, you be damn sure that they won't be sold to the first person who waves a cheque under my nose.
They will be kept in the air. The Public will enjoy them. When I finally join the Choir Invisible, adequate provision will have been made for my planes as well as my family.
Dr. D - If you are out there - please call me. I am a nice guy (apparently). You might get your @rse into my planes. However, it takes this communication thing to make it happen.
So, Aerohack - you did ask!
Wheres that picture??!!
HP
Blimey - you were right on the case - Turdy - Nottingham - home - Net.
THe photos beat me home and I only had a quick pint.
Pity you had to zip off - I flew KBO twice today.
What about the crosswind?
OK - I know it was blowing up to 17kts at 90 degrees to the runway but - who needs a runway? I took off across the tarmac and was virtually airborne before I crossed onto the grass runway. It must have been no more than 50yds.
Into wind it is possible to use the full 30 flap - it just flopped onto the grass with hardly any ground roll.
Despite that, we were well inside the envelope - approach at 45mph/ stalls at 27 (yes really....)
Great day - probably repeat it all tomorrow.
I checked out your site - very impressive.
I am sure that KKKkken Ellis would be pleased to have a regular supply of your piccies.
HP
Hi Aerohack - I spent ages on the phone to Ron Souch - fascinating bloke. Thank you for putting us in touch.
WW Monarch.
Dr. Ian Dalziel. Now - theres an interesting bloke too....
What does anybody make of somebody who has an old wooden plane, spends lots of dough on hangarage yet allows his plane to moulder away in a damp hangar, allows mice to set up home (well...probably a high rise block by now....) and presumably cause grave internal damage; allows the thing to have its Registration cancelled by the CAA.
The Monarch isn't the sexiest of Miles machines ( I have the good fortune to claim that one....!) and the cost of restoration would exceed the end value by a huge margin.
However, it is a rare and thus important airframe that must be saved.
Saved it will be, even if it needs to wait until DrD turns his toes up and it is sold by his estate.
Trouble is - the longer it is left, the less of the original machine that will be incorporated in the rebuild.
Rumour has it also that it suffered a heavy landing on its last flight and may well have spar damage too?
Can anybody verify that?
Somebody out there has the inside track on Dr.D.
I have written to him at an address I was given -no reply.
I have sent 'please forward' letters to him to WW from where - presumably - his hangarage invoices originate - no reply.
I was given a phone number - left a message - nobody called me back.
OK - he may well be tired of anoraks pestering him but - well - - I have done a fair bit for the marque over the past couple of years. I even got Dr.D's mugshot published in FP - Kings Cup victor in 1979 flying Falcon G-AEEG.
You'd have though - wouldn't you? - that anybody with even the remotest interest in Miles machines would have enjoyed the recent publicity, gorgeous piccies and - well - just phoned me.....
Come on you guys at WW - what is the score with this bloke?
There has to be a reason why a learned man of letters is capable of behaving in such a strange way.
I would like to meet him. I would like to record his anecdotes on the Kings Cup win for posterity. It will be published. The aircraft history file demands it also.
No prizes for guessing that my letters to him contained a request for a picture of him with the aircraft and the Kings Cup. No prizes either for concluding that he simply ignored it. It took my good friends from Shipping and Airlines (Messenger G-AKVZ) at Biggin to stump one up. Thanks guys!
We are but the temporary custodians of our Nations aviation heritage. I take my responsibilities very seriously indeed.
Who knows how my fortunes will change - I may get a few quid together and expand my collection (of 2 only now..!).
If I do - then the Nation will benefit in future years. I hope they will stay together.
If I end up busted and they have to go, you be damn sure that they won't be sold to the first person who waves a cheque under my nose.
They will be kept in the air. The Public will enjoy them. When I finally join the Choir Invisible, adequate provision will have been made for my planes as well as my family.
Dr. D - If you are out there - please call me. I am a nice guy (apparently). You might get your @rse into my planes. However, it takes this communication thing to make it happen.
So, Aerohack - you did ask!
Wheres that picture??!!
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I think I have spoken to Dr. D in the fairly recent past - I'll see if I have a phone number or email.
Of note perhaps, when we were on our trip back from Paris on 5 May 1963 in the Proctor we popped in to Persan-Beaumont. I noted F-BCDU, Magister c/n 850, the plate read Philips & Powis Reading. Also Miles 'H.T.3' F-BDPG c/n 1783. Whether my abbreviation, or actually shown on the aircraft I can't quite remember.................!
I also own a Biro....
Who designed the peculiar front glazing on, for example, 'EEG? Was it particular to Miles' products? I recall seeing Lord Montgomery one day near Farnborough, and his car had a similar backward top to bottom sloping windscreen.
Of note perhaps, when we were on our trip back from Paris on 5 May 1963 in the Proctor we popped in to Persan-Beaumont. I noted F-BCDU, Magister c/n 850, the plate read Philips & Powis Reading. Also Miles 'H.T.3' F-BDPG c/n 1783. Whether my abbreviation, or actually shown on the aircraft I can't quite remember.................!
I also own a Biro....
Who designed the peculiar front glazing on, for example, 'EEG? Was it particular to Miles' products? I recall seeing Lord Montgomery one day near Farnborough, and his car had a similar backward top to bottom sloping windscreen.
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The distinctive 'Miles' windscreen was, I believe, first used on several American types, names elude me at the moment. Miles widely introduced it starting with the M.3 series. It gave almost 5 mph extra and reduced distortion through the glazing.
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The forward-sloped windscreen wasn't unique to Miles, but more common in the USA. Off the top of my head, types I can recall thus equipped included the original C.W. (later GAL) Cygnet, some Ford and Stinson Tri-Motors, and the Vultee V-1, but I'm sure there were many others. Reduced distortion/reflection and speed gains were claimed. Calls to mind the reverse-slope rear windows on the Ford Anglia, Consul Classic and some Reliant three-wheelers. I got to Persan-Beaumont about a year later than you atb1943, and rather less grandly, hitching a lift from the nearest station in a Renault Dauphine whose driver was, shall we say, 'enthusiastic'. I remember the Maggie, seem to recall it being the mount of the aero club commandant. BTW, is your Biro a Miles-made one? I"ll bet Hairyplane has one of those!
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Funny windscreen
Hi ATB,
Are you sure you weren't looking at the back window of Lord M's Ford Anglebox??!!
The Falcon design was penned by Blossom Miles.
At the risk of getting shot down in flames(!) I reckon she cribbed the screen design from the American Stinson (?).
The theory - I believe - was that the forward-sloped screen gave a smoother airflow over the tail, a double teardrop effectively. This resulted in the design having a small - and thus less draggy - tailplane and tiny vertical surfaces.
I am a little sceptical about the '5mph increase in speed over an aircraft fitted a conventional screen'. I think it was just a fashion statement.
What it does do is a great job of leaving the raindrops on the screen - they don't blow off.
The screen is also narrow - a bit like looking out of a letterbox - and you also get some annoying reflections when you least want them, especially during a display or when formation flying.The 'glazing bars' (sounds more accurate than canopy frame!) are a pain in formation .
Check out which window the pilot (lucky me!) is peering on the latest FlyPast air to airs. The tiny one at the top!
The usual quip when I arrive anywhere in it is - 'love the leaded lights, wheres the stained glass??'
The tiny fin and rudder really requires ballet pumps as opposed to flying boots (and no - I don't wear a tutu...). It can be a box of frogs on the ground.
Mind you - I reckon the sloped- forward screen, raked tail and trousered undercarriage makes the Falcon one of the most gorgeous looking aircraft ever. A treasured posession that only wild horses (or a wild bank manager) could prize away from me.
Am I biased or do others think the same? So many old planes of the same 1936 era (I won't name them) just don't have the elegance and beauty of the Miles designs.
Regrettably though, many DH - types (oops!) are quite common yet the survival rate of Miles machines is appalling.
I implore you guys in the know out there to bang on Dr. Dalziels and Bob Mitchells (Witney Straight and Monarch in store at Cosford) doors and say - 'Come on geezer - there's no way you are going to do anything with them. You have had your enjoyment. Why not pass them on to somebody who will restore them to pristine, fly them and allow the nation , not just mice and spiders. to see them.'
I shudder when I hear of the conditions under which some surviving Miles aircraft - or viable projects - are being stored under.
I also had an annoying exchange with some Tw@t called B@b who wanted 'a million quid' for his Maggie fuz. Sheer profiteering and thus working against the preservation of old planes - a completely non-cost effective nonsense anyway that takes a nutter like me to get involved in.
Must go - my soapbox is creaking, I need to step off it before I break it through over-use.!!
HP
Are you sure you weren't looking at the back window of Lord M's Ford Anglebox??!!
The Falcon design was penned by Blossom Miles.
At the risk of getting shot down in flames(!) I reckon she cribbed the screen design from the American Stinson (?).
The theory - I believe - was that the forward-sloped screen gave a smoother airflow over the tail, a double teardrop effectively. This resulted in the design having a small - and thus less draggy - tailplane and tiny vertical surfaces.
I am a little sceptical about the '5mph increase in speed over an aircraft fitted a conventional screen'. I think it was just a fashion statement.
What it does do is a great job of leaving the raindrops on the screen - they don't blow off.
The screen is also narrow - a bit like looking out of a letterbox - and you also get some annoying reflections when you least want them, especially during a display or when formation flying.The 'glazing bars' (sounds more accurate than canopy frame!) are a pain in formation .
Check out which window the pilot (lucky me!) is peering on the latest FlyPast air to airs. The tiny one at the top!
The usual quip when I arrive anywhere in it is - 'love the leaded lights, wheres the stained glass??'
The tiny fin and rudder really requires ballet pumps as opposed to flying boots (and no - I don't wear a tutu...). It can be a box of frogs on the ground.
Mind you - I reckon the sloped- forward screen, raked tail and trousered undercarriage makes the Falcon one of the most gorgeous looking aircraft ever. A treasured posession that only wild horses (or a wild bank manager) could prize away from me.
Am I biased or do others think the same? So many old planes of the same 1936 era (I won't name them) just don't have the elegance and beauty of the Miles designs.
Regrettably though, many DH - types (oops!) are quite common yet the survival rate of Miles machines is appalling.
I implore you guys in the know out there to bang on Dr. Dalziels and Bob Mitchells (Witney Straight and Monarch in store at Cosford) doors and say - 'Come on geezer - there's no way you are going to do anything with them. You have had your enjoyment. Why not pass them on to somebody who will restore them to pristine, fly them and allow the nation , not just mice and spiders. to see them.'
I shudder when I hear of the conditions under which some surviving Miles aircraft - or viable projects - are being stored under.
I also had an annoying exchange with some Tw@t called B@b who wanted 'a million quid' for his Maggie fuz. Sheer profiteering and thus working against the preservation of old planes - a completely non-cost effective nonsense anyway that takes a nutter like me to get involved in.
Must go - my soapbox is creaking, I need to step off it before I break it through over-use.!!
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Totally agree re the Miles 'look'. Just far far classier than most sheddy old GA jobs.
As for Dr. D etc. - well with AKBO's history of secret agent/commando use in 633, you're half way to forming your own aircraft abduction unit, complete with getaway vehicle. Got any black shoe polish?
As for Dr. D etc. - well with AKBO's history of secret agent/commando use in 633, you're half way to forming your own aircraft abduction unit, complete with getaway vehicle. Got any black shoe polish?
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Well, I mentioned the Biro because I just re-discovered the book 'Wings over Woodley', which I hadn't really read thoroughly.
Now I have indeed!
And to my chagrin, although Blackbushe-based, I never made it to Woodley. But then I was much influenced by those in the group in the early days. Would know better today.
Now I have indeed!
And to my chagrin, although Blackbushe-based, I never made it to Woodley. But then I was much influenced by those in the group in the early days. Would know better today.
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.....and therein I read that the Broburn Wanderlust was a Reading product, a glider no less. What's in the name anyone?
And what became of the HDM105?
And what did the IAC do with its Martinet?
And what became of the HDM105?
And what did the IAC do with its Martinet?
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G-AKBO
She did look a lot better after a bath. I also wiped her bottie down after - she does drop a bit of oil (don't they all??!!)
The 'bottom hangar' at Turdy gets really dusty due to the woodshop next door creating loads of sawdust.
Also, to even get to the runway you have to splosh your way through loads of mud at relatively high speed to avoid getting stuck.
I can't bear to fly any aircraft that isn't clean - it detracts from the pleasure in my book. If you ain't got time to clean it - don't fly it.
Despite the wind - KBO gave lots of pleasure to 2 lucky passengers and lots more to the toggies. Doesn't she look great waffling slowly down the approach with those biiiig barn-door flaps and triple fins?
MMMmmm....
The new owner of KBO lives down south near Shoreham.
Can I appeal to you all to come up with some suitable hangarage near there?
Whilst I am happy to keep it flying for them (who wouldn't??) it needs to be there so that they can cuddle it without a big road journey.
HP
The 'bottom hangar' at Turdy gets really dusty due to the woodshop next door creating loads of sawdust.
Also, to even get to the runway you have to splosh your way through loads of mud at relatively high speed to avoid getting stuck.
I can't bear to fly any aircraft that isn't clean - it detracts from the pleasure in my book. If you ain't got time to clean it - don't fly it.
Despite the wind - KBO gave lots of pleasure to 2 lucky passengers and lots more to the toggies. Doesn't she look great waffling slowly down the approach with those biiiig barn-door flaps and triple fins?
MMMmmm....
The new owner of KBO lives down south near Shoreham.
Can I appeal to you all to come up with some suitable hangarage near there?
Whilst I am happy to keep it flying for them (who wouldn't??) it needs to be there so that they can cuddle it without a big road journey.
HP
Hairyplane,
how about Lee-on-Solent - its got hard runways, fuel, hangars etc and is only about 1 hour from Shoreham on good roads.
There are lots of hangars there and some may have sufficient space for KBO. We have a couple in ours (& a pby in kit form)
and given the aircraft concerned it would I am sure it would be a welcome addition.
Also Goodwood which is much closer but is grass only and not sure about hangar space.
how about Lee-on-Solent - its got hard runways, fuel, hangars etc and is only about 1 hour from Shoreham on good roads.
There are lots of hangars there and some may have sufficient space for KBO. We have a couple in ours (& a pby in kit form)
and given the aircraft concerned it would I am sure it would be a welcome addition.
Also Goodwood which is much closer but is grass only and not sure about hangar space.
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Hi Paul C,
Thank you so much for your reply.
Please send me an Email with the contact details and I'll pass them on.
I have promised Bob Ruprecht of the Air Support Unit there a visit, so - to turn up in KBO would be great!
Any more suggestions out there please?
Goodwoood is big bucks I am told - KBO is a big old bird too.
I like Nick Blooms description of the Messengers cockpit in Nov.02 Pilot - 'Like an old gentlemans club!'
HP
Thank you so much for your reply.
Please send me an Email with the contact details and I'll pass them on.
I have promised Bob Ruprecht of the Air Support Unit there a visit, so - to turn up in KBO would be great!
Any more suggestions out there please?
Goodwoood is big bucks I am told - KBO is a big old bird too.
I like Nick Blooms description of the Messengers cockpit in Nov.02 Pilot - 'Like an old gentlemans club!'
HP
Here are a couple of pretty poor pics of the Miles Student G-APLK, taken at prestwick in the late 1970s. I can't compete with DamianB coz I only had a cheap camera in those days!
http://www.pbase.com/minolta/planes
http://www.pbase.com/minolta/planes
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There's a new hangar going up at Shoreham at the far west end behind Transair. Don't know what Tom Moloney's going to do wiv it, but I'll ask him Monday when I see him. You don't build a hangar fer nuffin', do yer!
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Question about Fred Dunkerley
One can't mention Miles without immediately thinking of Fred Dunkerley. I noticed a previous reference to a Mike Dunkerley with a Widgeon- would he be a relative?
Also a search on G-INFO under that name reveals an Alan George Dunkerley with 'DNL, 'NWO and a CASA Jungman. Also deregistered a Boeing 75 and a Spitfire!
As the address is within gliding distance of Barton its a shame the a/c have never been seen there in the past 30 years
Which leads me onto the question about Fred Dunkerely. I heard dark mutterings of a disagreement between him and the committee of the Lancs Aero Club (presumably in the 1960's) but it was never expanded on. As there are precious few members left from those days its difficult getting to the bottom of this.
Does anyone know the story?
Sir George Cayley
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Also a search on G-INFO under that name reveals an Alan George Dunkerley with 'DNL, 'NWO and a CASA Jungman. Also deregistered a Boeing 75 and a Spitfire!
As the address is within gliding distance of Barton its a shame the a/c have never been seen there in the past 30 years
Which leads me onto the question about Fred Dunkerely. I heard dark mutterings of a disagreement between him and the committee of the Lancs Aero Club (presumably in the 1960's) but it was never expanded on. As there are precious few members left from those days its difficult getting to the bottom of this.
Does anyone know the story?
Sir George Cayley
The air is a navigable ocean that laps at everyones door
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We've passed the 100 posts! Hurrah!
Wub - Fascinating contribution re Miles Student. How come the wing got 'lost'?? Where is the aircraft now? What state is it in (apart from no chuffin' wing..)? When did it last fly? Tell us all about it. Failing that, I'll ask the Oracle and tell you!
Sir George - I have asked the Oracle - Peter Amos of The Miles Collection (who will probably never get himself on one of these new fangled computers!) about Fred Dunkerly. I'll keep you posted (every pun intended..)
atb - Yes please! Let me have the details as soon as you have them - Shoreham would be great.
Just to remind you - The Miles Collection is such a worthwhile organisation to join. £17.50 a year buys you fascinating journals and definately some wonderful carrot cake on the Miles Stalls at the shows!
www.Miles-aircraft.com
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Wub - Fascinating contribution re Miles Student. How come the wing got 'lost'?? Where is the aircraft now? What state is it in (apart from no chuffin' wing..)? When did it last fly? Tell us all about it. Failing that, I'll ask the Oracle and tell you!
Sir George - I have asked the Oracle - Peter Amos of The Miles Collection (who will probably never get himself on one of these new fangled computers!) about Fred Dunkerly. I'll keep you posted (every pun intended..)
atb - Yes please! Let me have the details as soon as you have them - Shoreham would be great.
Just to remind you - The Miles Collection is such a worthwhile organisation to join. £17.50 a year buys you fascinating journals and definately some wonderful carrot cake on the Miles Stalls at the shows!
www.Miles-aircraft.com
HP
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Ahhh... I thought the Student is actually at Woodley now??? It pranged at Duxford a few years ago (as I recall Peter Hoare joined the club of celebrated pilots who were faced with a sudden absence of power and parked their various mounts into the big field on the other side of the M11!) and was stored at Cranfield with the JP lot for a while.
Only time I ever saw it was over my school (about the third mention on this forum!) in 1976 - I was 12 and thought "what the hell is that?" Found a picture later. It was going into Dunsfold I think...
How about aiming for 200 posts, give Austers something to really aim for?
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Only time I ever saw it was over my school (about the third mention on this forum!) in 1976 - I was 12 and thought "what the hell is that?" Found a picture later. It was going into Dunsfold I think...
How about aiming for 200 posts, give Austers something to really aim for?
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