Vulcan to be sold on E-Bay
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Vulcan to be sold on E-Bay
As reported in last Sunday's Mail.
XH558, almost certainly the only Vulcan B2 (K2) left with a chance of taking to the skies again, is to be sold on E-bay following the decision of the Heritage Fund not to sponsor any of the re-build.
The fund has been criticised for giving 20M to minorities and yet cannot stump up any cash to preserve one of the UK's most significant military aircraft which helped to keep the peace for 30 years.
What is this country coming to. Anyone have any friends with deep pockets, or influence within a marketing dept with a big budget.
I, for one, am very glad I have never bought a lottery ticket!
XH558, almost certainly the only Vulcan B2 (K2) left with a chance of taking to the skies again, is to be sold on E-bay following the decision of the Heritage Fund not to sponsor any of the re-build.
The fund has been criticised for giving 20M to minorities and yet cannot stump up any cash to preserve one of the UK's most significant military aircraft which helped to keep the peace for 30 years.
What is this country coming to. Anyone have any friends with deep pockets, or influence within a marketing dept with a big budget.
I, for one, am very glad I have never bought a lottery ticket!
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Are you guys really serious?
"...one of the UK's most significant military aircraft that helped to keep the peace for 30 years....."
Yeah right. Perhaps for 5 or 10 but not for 30. We used to go and "fight" the thing in the 70's and quite frankly it was a piece of junk. A huge lumbering piece of crap that even at 55,000 ft was a sitting duck. It did look nice though, especially through the gun sight!
That aside, are you really expecting a bunch of enthusiastic amateurs to front up hundreds of thousands of pounds to TRY and keep this thing flying? This isn't the RAF that had an almost unlimited budget to keep these dinasours flying. Even the Lightning was "costing" 1000 man hours on the ground for every 1 ( yes 1 [one]) flying hour when it went out of service. So who do you think is going to fund it? And if it's such a special aeroplane, why has'nt it flown since it went out of service? The answer is that to try and do so is too expensive! Period.
Yes, it looked good at airshows when flown by a competant display pilot. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that it did one of the most impressive displays I've every seen at Waddington in 1976. But is this a good reason to try and persuade people to part with a fortune to have one kept flying by someone who most likely would'nt be able to show it off to it's best effect?
Let the thing die gracefully and remain in people's memories the way they would like to remember it.
"...one of the UK's most significant military aircraft that helped to keep the peace for 30 years....."
Yeah right. Perhaps for 5 or 10 but not for 30. We used to go and "fight" the thing in the 70's and quite frankly it was a piece of junk. A huge lumbering piece of crap that even at 55,000 ft was a sitting duck. It did look nice though, especially through the gun sight!
That aside, are you really expecting a bunch of enthusiastic amateurs to front up hundreds of thousands of pounds to TRY and keep this thing flying? This isn't the RAF that had an almost unlimited budget to keep these dinasours flying. Even the Lightning was "costing" 1000 man hours on the ground for every 1 ( yes 1 [one]) flying hour when it went out of service. So who do you think is going to fund it? And if it's such a special aeroplane, why has'nt it flown since it went out of service? The answer is that to try and do so is too expensive! Period.
Yes, it looked good at airshows when flown by a competant display pilot. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that it did one of the most impressive displays I've every seen at Waddington in 1976. But is this a good reason to try and persuade people to part with a fortune to have one kept flying by someone who most likely would'nt be able to show it off to it's best effect?
Let the thing die gracefully and remain in people's memories the way they would like to remember it.
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Me thinks you judge the mood wrongly on this one SandLat650.
I saw the Vulcan flying many times at Finningley and when flown by a top notch display pilot, it sent a tingle down the spine.
I am one of those that think the nation should try and preserve one - With all the money that's wasted in this country on c**p, I'd love to see some put into this project.
Maybe seeing a Vulcan fly again will remain a dream.
I saw the Vulcan flying many times at Finningley and when flown by a top notch display pilot, it sent a tingle down the spine.
I am one of those that think the nation should try and preserve one - With all the money that's wasted in this country on c**p, I'd love to see some put into this project.
Maybe seeing a Vulcan fly again will remain a dream.
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Have to say that as a country we do not embrace our heritage as much as we should. I could babble on but at the end of the day why does the government fritter our money on bilge such as all the millenium "projects" and shy away from standing proud and saying with pride "yeah - we had an awesome miltary presence at one time so let's pay tribute".
They would rather let hardcore enthusiasts shell out their hard earned money keeping these treasures in the public eye.
They would rather let hardcore enthusiasts shell out their hard earned money keeping these treasures in the public eye.
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"Let the thing die gracefully and remain in people's memories the way they would like to remember it."
Without the efforts of the Vulcan Display Flight (I think that's what it was called) in the early 90s, I would not be able to 'remember it'. IMHO It's displays were the most impressive at any airshow. For a whole generation the only time they saw it airborne was at an air display, with the massive low frequency vibrations that set off God knows how many car alarms; the Americans manning the refreshment stalls at Mildenhall claiming that the Vulcan ran on Budweiser! Without seeing an aircraft in its element, it soon becomes another piece of metal in a museum, easily forgotten by the masses.
Gonzo.
Without the efforts of the Vulcan Display Flight (I think that's what it was called) in the early 90s, I would not be able to 'remember it'. IMHO It's displays were the most impressive at any airshow. For a whole generation the only time they saw it airborne was at an air display, with the massive low frequency vibrations that set off God knows how many car alarms; the Americans manning the refreshment stalls at Mildenhall claiming that the Vulcan ran on Budweiser! Without seeing an aircraft in its element, it soon becomes another piece of metal in a museum, easily forgotten by the masses.
Gonzo.
Controversial, moi?
Nostalgia and sentiment are clouding the facts.
It was terrific to watch and listen too but it has always has been a non-starter as far as being operated in civilian hands.
Anybody who knows much about it and the CAA's uncompromising attitude (rightly I believe in this case) to the issue of it flying again would know that it has always been a lost cause.
I have to agrere with SandLat650.
It was terrific to watch and listen too but it has always has been a non-starter as far as being operated in civilian hands.
Anybody who knows much about it and the CAA's uncompromising attitude (rightly I believe in this case) to the issue of it flying again would know that it has always been a lost cause.
I have to agrere with SandLat650.
does anyone kow how much they are asking for it ?
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As its going for sale on E-bay, who knows what price.
The article said it would be bought by someone, most likely in the US and displayed.
I think the US folks state side have contributed more to its current upkeep than those of us in the UK.
With the planning, spares, support and personnel behind the project, the only issue is money.
There are obvious questions as to whether even this would be enough. The airframe has few hours left on it, and, in display format things like PFCs would take a big beating so its a bit of a gamble as to how long it will keep flying even if restored.
30 years may have been a bit of an exageration, but the Vulcan could out turn Lightnings and Phantoms at altitude during their day. The also beat many a better equipped B52 during excercises.
Heritage is often worth preserving, otherwise we just have memories and videos which are hard for a new generation to put in perspective.
If you don't agree, why bother having the Lancaster, B29 etc as their importance is surely irrelevant as well. I think not
The article said it would be bought by someone, most likely in the US and displayed.
I think the US folks state side have contributed more to its current upkeep than those of us in the UK.
With the planning, spares, support and personnel behind the project, the only issue is money.
There are obvious questions as to whether even this would be enough. The airframe has few hours left on it, and, in display format things like PFCs would take a big beating so its a bit of a gamble as to how long it will keep flying even if restored.
30 years may have been a bit of an exageration, but the Vulcan could out turn Lightnings and Phantoms at altitude during their day. The also beat many a better equipped B52 during excercises.
Heritage is often worth preserving, otherwise we just have memories and videos which are hard for a new generation to put in perspective.
If you don't agree, why bother having the Lancaster, B29 etc as their importance is surely irrelevant as well. I think not
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The Vulcan holds a very dear place in many people's hearts, and I'd love to see one fly. It's an amazing aircraft, which many people are in awe of, enthusiasts and 'people on the street'. I've been holding out for the one at Bruntingthorpe to get airbourne, as has been talked about for many months. Is this the one they're now going to sell?
I imagine Mrs Jeremy Clarkson is getting slightly anxious...
I imagine Mrs Jeremy Clarkson is getting slightly anxious...
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Yes, XH558 is the Bruntingthorpe Vulcan.
The article in the Mail did raise a moot point about it thrilling US crowds which could mean that maybe they will get it back together and fly it to the US.
With some of its fuel tanks removed it would have to make a stop or two but I suppose I would rather it return to the US to fly than not fly at all.
The Walton family have done a fantastic job up to now. I think they just did not figure on such apathy from the Bristish public (or abandonment from the UK Govt)
The article in the Mail did raise a moot point about it thrilling US crowds which could mean that maybe they will get it back together and fly it to the US.
With some of its fuel tanks removed it would have to make a stop or two but I suppose I would rather it return to the US to fly than not fly at all.
The Walton family have done a fantastic job up to now. I think they just did not figure on such apathy from the Bristish public (or abandonment from the UK Govt)
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Hey Aerbabe!
If it weren't for the Vulcan flying over my house one rainy day back when I was a nipper then I may never had held the dream of one day becoming a pilot. That's how big an influence a plane like the Vulcan can have!
Now then, you still love the Vulcan seeing as that aircaft is to blame for me being in aviation......?
VFE.
If it weren't for the Vulcan flying over my house one rainy day back when I was a nipper then I may never had held the dream of one day becoming a pilot. That's how big an influence a plane like the Vulcan can have!
Now then, you still love the Vulcan seeing as that aircaft is to blame for me being in aviation......?
VFE.
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A Vulcan fly with any of its fuel tanks not working? I think not norodnik. How the hell do you think the big delta is kept in trim? and what are co-pilots for anyway?
I loved Vulcans and got more pleasure from them than anything I've ever worked on since, but there's no way to come up with the money it takes to keep them up in the air from private funding, least of all from airshow revenue. Leave the old girl to lie in peace and leave us daft old gits, the Cold War Warriors, to our dreams and memories.
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I loved Vulcans and got more pleasure from them than anything I've ever worked on since, but there's no way to come up with the money it takes to keep them up in the air from private funding, least of all from airshow revenue. Leave the old girl to lie in peace and leave us daft old gits, the Cold War Warriors, to our dreams and memories.
Eh? What? You'll have to speak up lad, those Olympus ground runs have knackered me ears, as well as me kidneys.
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Re Jeremy Clarkson'r missus, I understood that as soon as the TV cameras had packed up, that lightning was dismantled and removed from chez Clarkson. Can anyone confirm??
But a static Vulcan does have one good use - it makes a great refuge to stand under when the heavens open, as many who have done so at the variuos wet Woodford airshows will know ;~)
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But a static Vulcan does have one good use - it makes a great refuge to stand under when the heavens open, as many who have done so at the variuos wet Woodford airshows will know ;~)
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Shaggy Sheep Driver - correct. That Lightning is currently gracing the entrance to Booker, and was only placed in Jeremy's garden for the TV programme. Made a few quid for the owner's plan to mount it on a roundabout in Farnborough.
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To me, SandLat650 is 100 percent, spot-on.
Yes it is a beautifull aircraft to look at and has been awsome to work with (by what I gather) but to keep it in flying condition it a stupid use of money.
Display it somewhere where all people have access to it and maintain it only in a manner that it still presents the Vulcan feeling, is what it deserves.
No more. There are other more important matters to spend money on.
Rather silly statement of Dr Jekyll:
""The CAA don't have a problem with the Vulcan being flown.""
Of course they don't. It proved before it can fly! rolleyes:
Now try to make it comply with their conditions under which "they have no problem with it being flown"
That is where "the only remaining problem" - (heaps of money) - will go!
And frankly, not worth it.
Yes it is a beautifull aircraft to look at and has been awsome to work with (by what I gather) but to keep it in flying condition it a stupid use of money.
Display it somewhere where all people have access to it and maintain it only in a manner that it still presents the Vulcan feeling, is what it deserves.
No more. There are other more important matters to spend money on.
Rather silly statement of Dr Jekyll:
""The CAA don't have a problem with the Vulcan being flown.""
Of course they don't. It proved before it can fly! rolleyes:
Now try to make it comply with their conditions under which "they have no problem with it being flown"
That is where "the only remaining problem" - (heaps of money) - will go!
And frankly, not worth it.
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FWIW I think that Bruntingthorpe have got it right already; on a good weather day there is a sight to behold and I am sure there is room for even more by way of historical flyers. I was there one day when a Corsair pitched up out of the blue and made a very good impromptu airshow. Flying the beast is financial suicide even though it would be awesome, but that aeroplane IS still alive and available for all to see. I bet the driver pushes his luck at times getting "light on the wheels", I know I would!!
I DID NOT MAKE A SILLY STATEMENT
M Mouse said:
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Anybody who knows much about it and the CAA's uncompromising attitude (rightly I believe in this case) to the issue of it flying again would know that it has always been a lost cause. "
Clearly implying that the CAA were blocking the Vulcan from flying again, and that anyone who disagreed didn't know what they were talking about.
The fact that the CAA are willing, in principle, for the Vulcan to be flown again is therefore highly relevant.
M Mouse said:
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Anybody who knows much about it and the CAA's uncompromising attitude (rightly I believe in this case) to the issue of it flying again would know that it has always been a lost cause. "
Clearly implying that the CAA were blocking the Vulcan from flying again, and that anyone who disagreed didn't know what they were talking about.
The fact that the CAA are willing, in principle, for the Vulcan to be flown again is therefore highly relevant.