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Old 6th May 2024, 10:18
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Private warbird operators to leave Duxford?

It may be a rumour at the moment, but Andy Saunders is a respected name in the field...
What on earth is the IWM trying to do...??

**Update**
Now confirmed on the Twitter thread as Guy Blacks Historic Aircraft Collection.

Also Mark Millers de Havilland Rapide has been evicted.
Other Duxford operators in the firing line...




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Absolutely absurd. Who the hell came up with that decision?
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Might there be plans to alter the land usage and to put a small town there ?
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Might there be plans to alter the land usage and to put a small town there ?
No surely not Ö..Thatís akin to vandalism!
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Mark Miller's Rapide left Duxford on 31st October 2023 for pastures new. See here: https://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewto...rapide#p954784
So that is not a new development... but the reason provided in the UKAR thread back then was 'hangarage withdrawn'.
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Presumably because the IWM etc have limited, and diminishing hangar space?
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I read in a different UKAR thread that the original deal was that warbird and classic aircraft operators could use hangar space provided they displayed their aircraft at X number of airshows at Duxford. That may have changed, I don't know the details. The land warfare hall is closing down and the exhibits from that area need to be redistributed perhaps. I also saw a message about them wanting to put other exhibits that are currently in storage on display but don't know where that came from. The original thread, including some comments from Guy Black, is here: https://x.com/1940Andy/status/1787395910726500429
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Some time ago there was a report that, when th land warfare hall closed, many of the exhibits were going to the museum at Pima Arizona. The former land warfare hall would then be used for restoration work.
I'm sure I read this in a 'credible source' magazine: did anyone else see this or do I need to up the medication again?
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So instead of this being cause for a tantrum, maybe it will be a positive move? Or at least have a positive outcome?
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Originally Posted by Quemerford
So instead of this being cause for a tantrum, maybe it will be a positive move? Or at least have a positive outcome?
The Land Warfare Hall is closing.
IWM statement on closing the LWH
To help tell a more coherent story for visitors, the Land Warfare Hall will close permanently.
The Land Warfare Hall no longer meets the environmental conditions required to keep IWM’s collections safe for future generations of visitors, and its closure will allow for collections to be integrated into new, permanent spaces in the museum.
They will sit alongside other historic objects, aircraft and vehicles, while also ensuring that they are located in the best possible conditions.
I haven't seen anyone having a 'tantrum'...
And I'm struggling to see how removing fleets of living, breathing, airworthy aircraft could be seen in any way as 'positive'...

Duxford is a unique world-class 'living' museum.
The IWM seem hell-bent on destroying it...

From the IWM:
Transforming IWM Duxford Over the next ten years, IWM Duxford will be transformed, with new experiences, exhibitions and facilities. This will create a more welcoming experience, allowing visitors to immerse themselves in a journey through the site’s history and the stories of the men and women who lived and worked there.

To tell these fascinating and engaging stories, IWM Duxford’s exhibition spaces will be transformed. They will show how war drives innovation and developments in science and technology. They will also show how war changes lives by taking visitors on a journey through the objects, vehicles and aircraft on display and the stories of the people who designed, built, flew, drove and repaired them.

To help tell a more coherent story for visitors, the Land Warfare Hall will close permanently. The Land Warfare Hall no longer meets the environmental conditions required to keep IWM’s collections safe for future generations of visitors, and its closure will allow for collections to be integrated into new, permanent spaces in the museum. They will sit alongside other historic objects, aircraft and vehicles, while also ensuring that they are located in the best possible conditions.

Transforming IWM Duxford will also enable investment in new state-of-the-art collections facilities, safeguarding IWM’s ability to conserve and collect for decades to come. At the west end of the site, where the Land Warfare Hall currently stands, a new, energy-efficient conservation engineering centre will be built, The IWM Lab.

The IWM Lab will create appropriate, long-term conditions to care for IWM’s collection of large objects. The conservation engineering centre will provide specialist technical training and apprenticeships, developing the skills needed to conserve IWM’s historic collections. The IWM Lab will also provide a sense of the scale and diversity of IWM’s collections through public viewing spaces and experiences, access to researchers to explore IWM’s large object collection, as well as the opportunity for direct engagement with conservators through guided tours and open days.

The working airfield, with over 100 years of flying history, will remain the heart of IWM Duxford’s position as the finest and best-preserved example of a Second World War fighter base in Britain. Through Transforming IWM Duxford, the rich history of the airfield’s flying activities will be protected and preserved for generations to come.
That's a very carefully crafted statement...
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Tantrums were further up the page. Sounds pretty positive to me...
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One wonders what sort of financial incentives have been offered by someone to someone else.
Thead drift.
On another aspect, I have visited several (non aviation related generally) museums over the past year and been saddened by the apparent dumbing down of the descriptions related to the exhibits. Mainly run by ' local authorities'. On the other hand, privately run places, the Cornwall At War Museum, Davidstow and the Moseley Heritage Museum, Redruth are absolute gems.
Rant over!
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Always an issue - do you cater for the enthusiasts or for those who've dropped in because it's raining or it's the only attraction nearby.

Have to find a balance - I always remember about a km of Greek Vases in the Louvre on my first visit - stupendous if you were interested in Greek Vases but.................
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Originally Posted by Quemerford
Tantrums were further up the page. Sounds pretty positive to me...
I don't understand..
Please explain what is 'positive' about removing airworthy aircraft from Duxford...?
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Always an issue - do you cater for the enthusiasts or for those who've dropped in because it's raining or it's the only attraction nearby.

Have to find a balance - I always remember about a km of Greek Vases in the Louvre on my first visit - stupendous if you were interested in Greek Vases but.................
That is generally what you find in the Greek and Roman Antiquities section of the museum. The Egyptian Antiquities section has no Greek vases.
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I don't understand..
Please explain what is 'positive' about removing airworthy aircraft from Duxford...?
Maybe the 'positive' is that it makes more room for less-mobile exhibits. If the departees are airworthy they can presumably still visit for events; something that can't easily happen with a 40-tonne tank.
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do you cater for the enthusiasts or for those who've dropped in because it's raining or it's the only attraction nearby.
The bottom line is that in most cases, there aren't enough enthusiast visitors to generate the funds needed to look after the aircraft and site. Museums therefore need to attract general visitors (particularly families) and funding bodies such as the Lottery will expect/demand museums to cater for them. I've been told of a curator who said that enthusiasts will only visit once in a while, and will concentrate on telling you what [they think] you've got wrong!

With regard to "dumbing down" it may come as a surprise that the average reading age in the UK is pretty low - the government standard for web pages requires text to be suitable for a reading age of 9, and the majority of adults in England are in the 11-14 year old reading age group. In addition, it has been found that most adults won't read all of a long block of text, so that creates a need for short, easy-to-understand descriptions.
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Innominate, you last few words account for the popularity of the Sun......
(For Non-UK readers this is a 'popular' wide circulation 'newspaper' in the UK, originally made famous by having young ladies sans clothes on page 3)
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"positive" in that it hopefully allows for stored exhibits to be displayed for the first time; also that it allows the IWM collection to expand in the future. Positive in that it sounds like the IWM will have a dedicated restoration facility. It'll still be an active airfield.

Museums don't need you or I: we are the minority. They need to cater for whatever gets the masses to visit. I suspect that's what is going on here. We've seen enough museums close to know how it could be, so 'positive'? Yes. If it keeps Duxford open and alive, 100%.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Always an issue - do you cater for the enthusiasts or for those who've dropped in because it's raining or it's the only attraction nearby.

Have to find a balance - I always remember about a km of Greek Vases in the Louvre on my first visit - stupendous if you were interested in Greek Vases but.................
I understand the dilemma well - I have two sons, one will look at each pot in turn and read every word of every placard. The other is of the "Seen one greek vase you've seen them all" persuasion...

Can make some museum visits "a challenge" - normally resolved with ice cream
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