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Old 29th May 2024, 02:02
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European Aviation also operated the 737-200, mainly if not wholly ex-Sabena and Sobelair aircraft. There may have been some overlap with these and the ex-BA 1-11s.
There definitely was
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The weekly Spantax flight into and out of Bournemouth provided considerable entertainment. You could see them coming from miles away from the black smoke coming from the Convair's four engines. I understood that they maintained a fair stock of spare tires at Bournemouth. They often used the shorter 35 runway because it saved taxi time. A very impressive take off with plenty of black smoke and noise.
For a while in the 1970s there were Mon. and Fri. Spantax CV990 flights and winter flights to Tenerife using BCAL 1-11s. On at least one occation BCAL sent a VC-10 as there was an ATC strike and they had to use the Tango routes. I also remember Dan-Air comets flying for Palmair.
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Old 29th May 2024, 06:40
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Originally Posted by pulse1
The weekly Spantax flight into and out of Bournemouth provided considerable entertainment. You could see them coming from miles away from the black smoke coming from the Convair's four engines. I understood that they maintained a fair stock of spare tires at Bournemouth. They often used the shorter 35 runway because it saved taxi time. A very impressive take off with plenty of black smoke and noise.
The old “coal burner”. I well remember watching the 990, from the College of ATC, scrape off the end of 17 . It was still on the ground as it passed my window ! A sight not to be missed; & a very short runway to use ! It was using it because of a southerly gale.
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The old “coal burner”. I well remember watching the 990, from the College of ATC, scrape off the end of 17 . It was still on the ground as it passed my window ! A sight not to be missed; & a very short runway to use ! It was using it because of a southerly gale.
That's amazing - a 990 departing off a <5000ft runway
I believe the 990 had relatively high V speeds, so it must have been powered like a rocket.
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It definitely happened, 106. I thought that it was going to hit the hedge between the r/w & the road - amazingly, it didn’t. Just ! Just as well they had traffic lights on the road in those days. Plenty of smoke, I recall. They must have been shoveling hard in the engine room !
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Saw the Spantax CV990 use Rwy 17 (4800ft) twice when I was apprentice at BAC. The first time I was in hangar 102 with the doors open and thought they must be doing an engine run, but then off it went, maximun smoke!
Also remember a loud bang one day when one burst a tyre on landing.
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the 737-500 was actually an Astraeus aircraft specifically for Bath Travel/Palmair

I also remember the Princess Air 146-200 operating from SEN and BOH about the same time and think they did some work for Bath Travel too (the SEND one was definitely part used for Travel Club of Upminster)
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Originally Posted by LGWAlan
the 737-500 was actually an Astraeus aircraft specifically for Bath Travel/Palmair
A Pprune member Rainboe was a Skipper on the 737-500 Astraeus aircraft specifically leased for Bath Travel/Palmair --- G-PJPJ Spirit of Peter Bath.
He brought me back from Mahon to BOH summer 2009.
We had a very nice catch up.

Bath Travel was founded by Peter Bath's grandfather Ernest in 1924.
Peter took over the business in 1954 and took it from one office to over sixty branches.
He lived 10 minutes from what was then Hurn Airport and personally saw off the Palmair holiday flights – eventually doing so 350 times a year and continuing until the year before he died in 2006.

Palmair's first IT charters from BOH Hurn to Majorca began as far back as 1959 (I think earlier than those of Harry Chandler's Travel Club of Upminster)
Palmair were first Holiday Company to use the new BAC 1-11 jets of British United in 1965.

Sadly due to the hostile rise of Low Cost Airlines, growing Internet sales, 2008 Banking debacle/Recession, and the dismantlement of the traditional Package Holiday as we knew it, Palmair could no longer compete and the decision was made in 2010 to close the Palmair Holidays brand down and return the 737 early to the lessor.

Funny that in 2024 and now for summer 2025, we see Package Holiday expansion at BOH with numbers that Peter could only dream of, with both TUI and Jet2 basing 4 x 189 seat 737-800's at Hurn for year round Package Holiday offerings.
Had Palmair survived would they still be a strong force today at Bournemouth?
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Old 30th May 2024, 09:34
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Originally Posted by rog747
Palmair's first IT charters from BOH Hurn to Majorca began as far back as 1959 (I think earlier than those of Harry Chandler's Travel Club of Upminster)
Palmair were first Holiday Company to use the new BAC 1-11 jets of British United in 1965.
Surprising how these early charters managed to cover the cost of positioning aircraft around - the BUA One-Eleven from Bournemouth would have had to come empty from and to Gatwick (unless of course it was brand new from the factory across the runway !).

I believe the first ever holiday jet charter was by Vladimir Raitz's Horizon Holidays, which had a very early relationship with Corsica, started off with charters on DC3s. The pioneer Air France Caravelle which night-stopped at Heathrow on Paris flights didn't start back on Sundays until lunchtime (simpler days ...). Raitz noticed this and chartered it for early morning round trips to Ajaccio and back.
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Old 8th Jun 2024, 10:21
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Not sure if this has been mentioned already but Società Aerea Mediterranea (S.A.M.). Travelled with my parents to Rimini on a SAM Caravelle, as part of a Martin Rooks package holiday.

Back in the days when, to get the desired holiday, one had to queue overnight at Martin Rooks' offices in Victoria to secure your choice when bookings opened in the preceeding October. Rooks used to include a 'here's last year's queue' picture in their then - current brochure, which showed a long line snaking back down the street.


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Originally Posted by lindholme
Not sure if this has been mentioned already but Società Aerea Mediterranea (S.A.M.) Travelled with my parents to Rimini on a SAM Caravelle, as part of a Martin Rooks package holiday
SAM were the charter arm of Alitalia, and like a number of such carriers used the hand-me-downs from the mainstream fleet "one generation back". Thus when Alitalia was mainly Caravelles across Europe SAM had DC6Bs, and when the DC9s came to the mainline fleet the Caravelles went down to the charter arm.

Some others were :

France - Air France and Air Charter
Belgium - Sabena and Sobelair
Netherlands - KLM and Martinair
Finland - Finnair and KarAir
Scandinavia - SAS and Scanair
Germany - Lufthansa and Condor
Spain - Iberia and Aviaco
Italy - Alitalia and SAM
Bulgaria - Balkan and Bulair

and, of course, BEA/BA and BEA/British Airtours

All sorts of variants over the years, some were later sold to be independent companies, and there were various combinations of fleet sharing, adapted liveries, and separate or integrated crewing.

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Old 8th Jun 2024, 16:47
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Another short lived charter Airline in the UK [I think they lasted little over a year from 1987] were Mediterranean Express. They acquired two ex-Faucett Peru BAC1-11 Series 476FM (G-AYUW and G-AZUK) at least one of which went through an engineering check and repaint at Heathrow with BA Engineering prior to service entry. These ex-Peruvian aircraft were fitted with the strengthened landing gear, stone deflectors etc for operations from rough field strips and I remember looking at ZUK when it first arrived and it had four small 'llama' graphics crossed out on the left hand side just just below the flight deck windows, to signify four llama strikes and inspecting the belly panels at the time, I suspect that was absolutely true! I remember thinking at the time that they were obviously on 'very tight' finances as ZUK ended up parked outside TBB hangar jacked-up with the wheels removed at the end of the check, as there was a problem with the payment for the work carried out.

There is an image of ZUK in the BA hangars [not my image] on the Air Britain site here: https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1068604

Just noticed Mediterranean Express was mentioned early on...but still think the additional info might make some interesting reading.

How about Greenair? They were a Turkish Charter outfit in the early 1990s set up by Turkish and Russian interests and operated Tu.134, Tu.154 and even one IL.86 in their short life.

https://www.jetphotos.com/airline/Greenair

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Old 8th Jun 2024, 17:28
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Yugoslavia had JAT and Air Yugoslavia but apart from different two-letter designators and RT callsigns, the distinction was somewhat blurred. Likewise with Austrian Airlines and Austrian Air Transport.
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I also flew in an ex - BUA 1-11 in June 1971, just after Caledonian's purchase of BUA. The a/c was still sporting BUA livery except for the 'Caledonian- BUA' wording applied to the fuselage after of the front cabin door.

My folks & I sat towards the rear of the plane, facing forwards, with other passengers sat opposite us facing rearwards across a shared table. An unusual layout.

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