Sunderland airshow cancelled due to climate change.
"Sunderland must be a fun place to live!"
Known as "The Dark Place" by residents of Newcastle
Known as "The Dark Place" by residents of Newcastle
Without the true believers the modern version of ‘climate change’ would not exist..
Old fashioned climate change would still exist:
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Old fashioned climate change would still exist:
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A new study details how a much warmer climate than today led to the disappearance of glaciers and ice caps during the sub-300 ppm CO2 Early to Middle Holocene. The Arctic’s modern ice extent is among the largest of the last 10,000 years.
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If we are to prevail in achieving a sustainable version of a modern, advanced civilisation we will need to teach kids who will spend the prime of their careers between now and a mid-century "net-zero" economy to:
(a) understand the climate itself, which is an aggregation of the weather
(b) hence a need to understand meteorology
© appreciate observable meteorological phenomena - cloud formations, wind speed and precipitation
(d) reason about how these relate to numerical data - temperature, pressure and humidity
(e) understand energy systems, the accumulation, conservation and conversion of energy
(f) understand power systems - engines, motors, and storage - legacy and emerging
(g) get a feel for why any of this matters - what the difference is between how we live now and the middle ages
(h) make it interesting, get their attention and make them care
I can't think of a better way to inspire this kind of thinking than an air show.
OR:
Just teach them "who's to blame", "who to vote for" and "how to feel depressed, scared and helpless" in the face of the challenges we face.
I guess the second one is easier and cheaper - why "educate" when you can settle for "indoctrinate".
I have these conversations a lot, with people who think "climate change" (a convenient proxy for the broader challenge of maintaining a sustainable civilisation going forward) is a "political" or "moral" issue. Saves having to actually do the sums, face up to the biggest "technical" challenge we have yet faced, and raise our kids accordingly.
I have great faith in the innovative and creative capacity of humanity to take on challenges such as this, but boy does that faith take a hit on a regular basis when I see intellectually lazy, morally cowardly nonsense like this.
(a) understand the climate itself, which is an aggregation of the weather
(b) hence a need to understand meteorology
© appreciate observable meteorological phenomena - cloud formations, wind speed and precipitation
(d) reason about how these relate to numerical data - temperature, pressure and humidity
(e) understand energy systems, the accumulation, conservation and conversion of energy
(f) understand power systems - engines, motors, and storage - legacy and emerging
(g) get a feel for why any of this matters - what the difference is between how we live now and the middle ages
(h) make it interesting, get their attention and make them care
I can't think of a better way to inspire this kind of thinking than an air show.
OR:
Just teach them "who's to blame", "who to vote for" and "how to feel depressed, scared and helpless" in the face of the challenges we face.
I guess the second one is easier and cheaper - why "educate" when you can settle for "indoctrinate".
I have these conversations a lot, with people who think "climate change" (a convenient proxy for the broader challenge of maintaining a sustainable civilisation going forward) is a "political" or "moral" issue. Saves having to actually do the sums, face up to the biggest "technical" challenge we have yet faced, and raise our kids accordingly.
I have great faith in the innovative and creative capacity of humanity to take on challenges such as this, but boy does that faith take a hit on a regular basis when I see intellectually lazy, morally cowardly nonsense like this.
Probably due more to ecomomics. East Fortune air show used to be scheduled for the same day with an almost identical line-up. Presumably there would have been some sort of cost sharing. Once East Fortune scrubbed their airshow, weather was not reliable enough around here, Sunderland presumably would have had a poor return on their investment.
Facts of Life
Airshows are an easy target as they would find the visual effect of all those engines rather difficult to justify to the ratepayers who are subsidising it. Of course many of those RP's really enjoy the spectacle of it all, but the balance will be rather spoilt by the financial loss that it comes with.
We also have the Councils using the 'Work from Home' argument as their contribution to CC. Easy to show some benefit on paper at the Council meetings, but in truth the system is not really working as the WORK ELEMENT is difficult to proove as a 'service', with long delays in actually getting things done.
Covid has had a dramatic ongoing effect to everything, and Airshows are also caught up with the carbon debate so unless someone comes up with an 'offset plan' that is also a financial winner then the reality of local real airshows are a real issue for a local authority. These can be replaced by 'virtual shows' that offer some of the spectacle but in a different way. Eventually someone will 'reinvent' a real airshow again and we can start the wheel turning again. (may be a while though)
Binghi - coming for a country that has seen records fires and floods in the last 10 years you might want to revisit your opinion................
The largest extent fire in Australia’s recorded history were in the 1970’s. And the extent were only noted due to it being recorded via the new Landsat satellites.
For over 50,000 years Australians used to burn-off most of the place on a near annual basis so the fuel load were low. Nowadays thanks to modern farming practices and greeny stupidity we have less annual burn-offs that leave massive fuel loads to build up causing more intense fires when they inevitably happen. Nothing to do with ‘climate’ as such.
Reading the old news papers show the 1800’s as being the time of the ‘biggest’ floods. Though that predates television so do not exist in the minds of the climate cultists..
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Thankfully some of the head-in-the-sand opinions here are going the way of the dinosaur. There is no avoiding the evidence (real scientific evidence, not "my mate reckons") and whether you like it or not, the world is slowly abiding by the need to take action. Whether you agree with that doesn't matter one jot: frivolities such as airshows and motorsport don't register with the majority of mankind other than as unnecessary sources of stuff that contributes to a problem.
You stand a better chance at having a say if you engage rather than deny.
You stand a better chance at having a say if you engage rather than deny.
Thankfully some of the head-in-the-sand opinions here are going the way of the dinosaur. There is no avoiding the evidence (real scientific evidence, not "my mate reckons") and whether you like it or not, the world is slowly abiding by the need to take action. Whether you agree with that doesn't matter one jot: frivolities such as airshows and motorsport don't register with the majority of mankind other than as unnecessary sources of stuff that contributes to a problem.
You stand a better chance at having a say if you engage rather than deny.
You stand a better chance at having a say if you engage rather than deny.
One would think if yer didn’t consider what your mate reckons then yer marriage would be short..
lots of people fly from the NE of England to Dubai - especially in winter!
"News to me."
Perhaps this report from the CSIRO will help https://www.csiro.au/en/research/env...rt-at-a-Glance
"Australia’s climate has warmed on average by 1.44 ± 0.24 °C since national records began in 1910, leading to an increase in the frequency of extreme heat events.
Perhaps this report from the CSIRO will help https://www.csiro.au/en/research/env...rt-at-a-Glance
"Australia’s climate has warmed on average by 1.44 ± 0.24 °C since national records began in 1910, leading to an increase in the frequency of extreme heat events.
- There has been a decline of around 16 per cent in April to October rainfall in the southwest of Australia since 1970. Across the same region May–July rainfall has seen the largest decrease, by around 20 per cent since 1970.
- In the southeast of Australia there has been a decline of around 12 per cent in April to October rainfall since the late 1990s.
- There has been a decrease in streamflow at the majority of streamflow gauges across southern Australia since 1975.
- Rainfall and streamflow have increased across parts of northern Australia since the 1970s.
- There has been an increase in extreme fire weather, and in the length of the fire season, across large parts of the country since the 1950s, especially in southern Australia.There has been a decrease in the number of tropical cyclones observed in the Australian region since 1982.
- Oceans around Australia are acidifying and have warmed by around 1 °C since 1910, contributing to longer and more frequent marine heatwaves.
- Sea levels are rising around Australia, including more frequent extremes, that are increasing the risk of inundation and damage to coastal infrastructure and communities.
yes - it it often comes from people who fly and maintain machines that are totally dependent on advanced science 
"News to me."
Perhaps this report from the CSIRO will help https://www.csiro.au/en/research/env...rt-at-a-Glance
"Australia’s climate has warmed on average by 1.44 ± 0.24 °C since national records began in 1910, leading to an increase in the frequency of extreme heat events.
Perhaps this report from the CSIRO will help https://www.csiro.au/en/research/env...rt-at-a-Glance
"Australia’s climate has warmed on average by 1.44 ± 0.24 °C since national records began in 1910, leading to an increase in the frequency of extreme heat events.
- There has been a decline of around 16 per cent in April to October rainfall in the southwest of Australia since 1970. Across the same region May–July rainfall has seen the largest decrease, by around 20 per cent since 1970.
- In the southeast of Australia there has been a decline of around 12 per cent in April to October rainfall since the late 1990s.
- There has been a decrease in streamflow at the majority of streamflow gauges across southern Australia since 1975.
- Rainfall and streamflow have increased across parts of northern Australia since the 1970s.
- There has been an increase in extreme fire weather, and in the length of the fire season, across large parts of the country since the 1950s, especially in southern Australia.There has been a decrease in the number of tropical cyclones observed in the Australian region since 1982.
- Oceans around Australia are acidifying and have warmed by around 1 °C since 1910, contributing to longer and more frequent marine heatwaves.
- Sea levels are rising around Australia, including more frequent extremes, that are increasing the risk of inundation and damage to coastal infrastructure and communities.
Via the Asturias56 post: “…climate has warmed on average by 1.44 ± 0.24 °C since national records began in 1910…”
What happened the year before 1910, …i.e., thats what happened in the warm period that preceded 1910…
“…The hottest day ever recorded in Australia with modern official equipment was Jan 3rd, 1909 in Bourke where the temperature blistered at 51.7C…”
https://joannenova.com.au/2020/07/ho...ourke-in-1909/
Events of recent years have totally dis-credited the other CSIRO claims. If someone were that stupid that they relied on the CSIRO for ‘guidance’, well, the CSIRO has an out for that:
Information at this site:
- Is general information provided as part of CSIRO's statutory role in the dissemination of information relating to scientific and technical matters;
- Is not professional, scientific, medical, technical or expert advice;
- Is subject to the usual uncertainties of advanced scientific and technical research;
- May not be accurate, current or complete;
- Is subject to change without notice; and
- Should never be relied on as the basis for doing or failing to do something.
https://www.csiro.au/en/about/Policies/Legal/Legal-notice
well CSIRO are a better source than some guy you met in a bar or a US based website run by MAGA lunatics. And the get out clause only covers a 9 lines - by modern standards (check your car warranty) thats nuffin'.
" since national records began in 1910," = yes , there are records before 1910 but they're not standardised, the equipment was different, the observations were taken on different days at different times and sometimes not at all and there were very large areas where there were no records. I did a course years ago on weather observations and how careful you have to be to compare like with like. At one time local authorities in tourist towns in the UK used to place their daylight/sunshine kit on the highest point for miles to maximise the numbers so they could claim "we are the sunniest place in Dorset" etc. Oddly their rainfall gauges all seemed to be somewhat overhung by nearby buildings in a completely separate place.
" since national records began in 1910," = yes , there are records before 1910 but they're not standardised, the equipment was different, the observations were taken on different days at different times and sometimes not at all and there were very large areas where there were no records. I did a course years ago on weather observations and how careful you have to be to compare like with like. At one time local authorities in tourist towns in the UK used to place their daylight/sunshine kit on the highest point for miles to maximise the numbers so they could claim "we are the sunniest place in Dorset" etc. Oddly their rainfall gauges all seemed to be somewhat overhung by nearby buildings in a completely separate place.
Maybe take the debate relating to climate change in Australia out of the Sunderland Airshow thread and into the relevant Jet Blast thread?
https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/505...ebate-138.html
https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/505...ebate-138.html
Maybe take the debate relating to climate change in Australia out of the Sunderland Airshow thread and into the relevant Jet Blast thread?
https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/505...ebate-138.html
https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/505...ebate-138.html
well CSIRO are a better source than some guy you met in a bar or a US based website run by MAGA lunatics. And the get out clause only covers a 9 lines - by modern standards (check your car warranty) thats nuffin'.
" since national records began in 1910," = yes , there are records before 1910 but they're not standardised, the equipment was different, the observations were taken on different days at different times and sometimes not at all and there were very large areas where there were no records. I did a course years ago on weather observations and how careful you have to be to compare like with like. At one time local authorities in tourist towns in the UK used to place their daylight/sunshine kit on the highest point for miles to maximise the numbers so they could claim "we are the sunniest place in Dorset" etc. Oddly their rainfall gauges all seemed to be somewhat overhung by nearby buildings in a completely separate place.
" since national records began in 1910," = yes , there are records before 1910 but they're not standardised, the equipment was different, the observations were taken on different days at different times and sometimes not at all and there were very large areas where there were no records. I did a course years ago on weather observations and how careful you have to be to compare like with like. At one time local authorities in tourist towns in the UK used to place their daylight/sunshine kit on the highest point for miles to maximise the numbers so they could claim "we are the sunniest place in Dorset" etc. Oddly their rainfall gauges all seemed to be somewhat overhung by nearby buildings in a completely separate place.
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Asturia56, you sell used cars, don’t ya..
Have a re-read of the link I provided. It offers a fair amount of ‘illumination’ on the subject.
https://joannenova.com.au/2020/07/ho...ourke-in-1909/