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Old 19th Oct 2022, 15:26
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My local town held its first ever air show off the main beach a couple of years ago. They then decided not to hold anymore, mainly due to the high costs of insurance and security.
At least that was a more honest reason than the currently in-vogue, protecting the environment......
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Old 19th Oct 2022, 15:57
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I suspect a Venn diagram showing the two groups would have a pretty large intersection ...
Stop thinking like an extremist, there is nuance here.
1. "Climate change denial" - the absolutist position, climate has always been the same, there's a benchmark "normal". This is the "flat earth" science denial position
2. Man made climate change denier - Climate has always been dynamic, there's a load of evidence climate changed long before the coming of man's industrial revolution. This set believes that you can stop oil tomorrow and the climate will continue to warm and cool as it always has.

We conflate 1 and 2 above as if they are the same, they're not. There are a load of variables involved, of which one is human produced CO2. To lay the blame on man and ignore the weight of the other variables which have been changing climate since we had one, is religious belief fueled by junk modelling where funded scientists give added weight to certain variables to get funding. We should deffo pollute less, but the eco-alarmists couldn't understand a weighted model if their lives depended on it, and COVID modelling should have shown you how political "Science" can be. But what do I know, I only build models for clients for a living....
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Old 19th Oct 2022, 16:22
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Council didn't like to say they are skint and the number of available aircraft for displays are down. They cannot blame covid this year so 10 points for the new eco excuse.
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Old 19th Oct 2022, 17:34
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An omission of the Vulcan on my part. However, its early displays after its return to flight were actually quite dull. At Sunderland in around 2010 for example, it flew a very sedate display which was basically a few flypasts- no howling, no steep climbs, wing overs etc. I'm pretty convinced it crossed over the horizon at one point. It was only in its latter couple of years that they really started to throw it around and make lots of noise.

Having said that, I'd gladly pay through the nise to see it again!

I always thought a Sunderland Council were missing a trick by not charging a nominal entry free to the show ground which would both bring in a substantial revenue stream but also keep out the human detritus who would turn up with a football and a few bottles of cider who would get progressively more severely sunburned throughout the day!

All ancient history and happy memories now though!
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Old 19th Oct 2022, 18:44
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It's happening to at least one airshow over here in the colonies too. The Alliance (Fort Worth) airshow has been reduced to one day, in part to be more 'sustainable'.

Formerly great event continues to go downhill due to rising cost of attendance (parking/admission charge is $80 this year!), increasing noise complaints by the new neighbors (the airport was here first and hard to miss), and operational constraints (Amazon is not willing to pause operations for more than a couple hours).

Glad I was able to attend in the days when there was actually a static display and an entire day of aerial acts.

*As I'm typing this, I wonder if they mean sustainable from an environmental perspective or from their financial perspective... or maybe both.
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Old 19th Oct 2022, 19:36
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"An omission of the Vulcan on my part. However, its early displays after its return to flight were actually quite dull." - Kind of agree. The roar as it took off at Weald with low cloud and that wail and howl as it climbed out in 89 ? The Chickens didn't fare too well.

I'm all for supporting climate change and the planet but are we humans allowed to enjoy anything anymore?
Activists do realise the whole point of life IS to enjoy it. If the eco warriors get everything banned, it's going to be a very lonely place.

As to the fate of seaside air shows. What happened to some of the stalwarts like Southend? Used to enjoy that one and you could get stuck at the end of the pier for the Vulcan display. Now that was something.
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Old 19th Oct 2022, 23:01
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[QUOTE=ATNotts;11315869]Is there a connection between climate change deniers and anti vaxxers?

According to Australian Sky News presenters, that is very much the case.
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Old 19th Oct 2022, 23:04
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Funnily enough saw a doco a few days ago by climatologist explaining how climate change was responsible for the collapse of the Egyptian Pharaoh civilisation and creation of the Sahara desert.
Yes, but did they cancel THEIR airshow?
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 00:31
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 04:13
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The ONLY thing that 'Flat Earthers' have to fear........

Is Sphere itself.

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Old 20th Oct 2022, 07:12
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
Stop thinking like an extremist, there is nuance here.
1. "Climate change denial" - the absolutist position, climate has always been the same, there's a benchmark "normal". This is the "flat earth" science denial position
2. Man made climate change denier - Climate has always been dynamic, there's a load of evidence climate changed long before the coming of man's industrial revolution. This set believes that you can stop oil tomorrow and the climate will continue to warm and cool as it always has.

We conflate 1 and 2 above as if they are the same, they're not. There are a load of variables involved, of which one is human produced CO2. To lay the blame on man and ignore the weight of the other variables which have been changing climate since we had one, is religious belief fueled by junk modelling where funded scientists give added weight to certain variables to get funding. We should deffo pollute less, but the eco-alarmists couldn't understand a weighted model if their lives depended on it, and COVID modelling should have shown you how political "Science" can be. But what do I know, I only build models for clients for a living....
There is a third as well. One which I fall in. Those who just think we will in the end just adapt to any changes. We as a species are terrible at change (just look at how many climate agreements have been made them broken or not met.. all of them I think), but are very good at adapting. Climate change happens over very long periods, making change harder but adaptation easier.
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst View Post
Climate change happens over very long periods, making change harder but adaptation easier.
Perfect illustration of Skippy's point:

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
This set believes that you can stop oil tomorrow and the climate will continue to warm and cool as it always has.

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Old 20th Oct 2022, 09:15
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The real issue is not climate change per se - it happens on about a 30,000 year cycle and its still currently warming. It's the rate of change - it has accelerated substantially since about 1500.

All the actions are to try and buy time so we have longer to adapt a- moving all those folk out of Florida for example
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Will they cancel Christmas as well?

Sunderland must be a fun place to live!
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 11:01
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Camels, not Sopwith, affected by climate change.



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I know we have thread drift, but to get to camel extinction from Sunderland airshow must be some kind of record.
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Actually its tectonic drift.

I hate it when threads go off at a tangent. Strictly speaking, of course, a tangent is a line intersecting an arc perpendicular to its radius.
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Maybe Sunderland Council should have a camel racing event to compensate for the loss of the airshow?
To be honest, I think the age of the airshow is coming to a close...Think of the wonderful shows we had in the not too distant past..Mildenhall, Waddington, North Weald, St Athan, Valley, Finningley Prestwick, Leuchars, Biggin Hill, even Farnborough is a Trade only show now
For may organisers, they are just in the "too difficult" pile now..
Couple that with increasing restrictions on the aircraft that actually are available now, and all you get are a lot of little dots doing loops and rolls above 2000 ft or halfway to the next county!
No..Sunderland Council chose a very trendy excuse to cancel any future show, and keep the Environmentalists onside...
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 13:33
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If only we had a real airworthy Sunderland to show....

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If we are to prevail in achieving a sustainable version of a modern, advanced civilisation we will need to teach kids who will spend the prime of their careers between now and a mid-century "net-zero" economy to:
(a) understand the climate itself, which is an aggregation of the weather
(b) hence a need to understand meteorology
© appreciate observable meteorological phenomena - cloud formations, wind speed and precipitation
(d) reason about how these relate to numerical data - temperature, pressure and humidity
(e) understand energy systems, the accumulation, conservation and conversion of energy
(f) understand power systems - engines, motors, and storage - legacy and emerging
(g) get a feel for why any of this matters - what the difference is between how we live now and the middle ages
(h) make it interesting, get their attention and make them care

I can't think of a better way to inspire this kind of thinking than an air show.

OR:

Just teach them "who's to blame", "who to vote for" and "how to feel depressed, scared and helpless" in the face of the challenges we face.

I guess the second one is easier and cheaper - why "educate" when you can settle for "indoctrinate".

I have these conversations a lot, with people who think "climate change" (a convenient proxy for the broader challenge of maintaining a sustainable civilisation going forward) is a "political" or "moral" issue. Saves having to actually do the sums, face up to the biggest "technical" challenge we have yet faced, and raise our kids accordingly.

I have great faith in the innovative and creative capacity of humanity to take on challenges such as this, but boy does that faith take a hit on a regular basis when I see intellectually lazy, morally cowardly nonsense like this.
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