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Vulcan tried to escape from Wellesbourne, 16th Sept 2022

Old 16th Sep 2022, 21:36
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Be interesting to see their risk assessment (if it exists) on doing a fast taxi towards a main road and a pole which says "Gas Main" on it, with a non-airworthy aircraft. What could possibly go wrong?

While the Vulcan may not be air-worthy or covered by any CAA regs, the aerodrome itself is and is licenced and thus must ensure that all activities on the licenced area, whether air-worthy or not, are safe and reduce the risk to members of the public to ALARP.
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Old 16th Sep 2022, 21:50
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Basic maths-Equations of Motion(s,u,v,a,t) should have been used in pre-planning,instead of reliance on the ASI.Most mobile phones will give a good Groundspeed read-out,and a stopwatch for timing,Markers along the edge of the runway for distance to `stop`...Going for a practice `blast`,after low speed steering and braking check seems a little `enthusiastic`....
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Old 16th Sep 2022, 22:07
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The BBC has a couple of photos: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-62930756
The gear doesn't appear to have suffered a lot, but that's speculation of course.
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Old 16th Sep 2022, 22:23
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Originally Posted by Sleeve Wing View Post
One of those "Oh sh*t" moments. Not giving up without a fight, is it ?
The thought did occur that maybe the airfield owners had tampered with the brakes or chute !!?
Another excuse to close such "a dangerous airfield" ...........
Let's hope they - or their lawyers - don't read PPRuNe.
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Old 16th Sep 2022, 22:26
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Originally Posted by Yellow Sun View Post
The Health and Safety Executive (HSE), the CAA have no jurisdiction or interest and the AAIB would probably decline to offer any input, even on a consultancy basis. Whether any investigation could lead to a prosecution is anyone's guess, it gets a bit complicated when both volunteers and employees are involved.

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I can't help thinking that throwing 170,000lbs of 4-engine Bomber down a runway at a CAA licensed aerodrome, ultimately resulting in a near miss with a public highway is going to make somebody curious from a regulatory and safety viewpoint. "The ASI wasn't working for 2 seconds" does not suggest an obvious multi-layered approach to risk assessment.
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Old 16th Sep 2022, 22:43
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Unlike the Falklands…

They saved flying 7,999 miles to almost miss the runway.
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Old 16th Sep 2022, 23:27
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Originally Posted by Two's in View Post
I can't help thinking that throwing 170,000lbs of 4-engine Bomber down a runway at a CAA licensed aerodrome, ultimately resulting in a near miss with a public highway is going to make somebody curious from a regulatory and safety viewpoint. "The ASI wasn't working for 2 seconds" does not suggest an obvious multi-layered approach to risk assessment.
A quick look at CAP168 indicates these sections are likely to be of interest.
Ch2 App 2E
Ch3 App 3I
Ch9
The fact it wasn’t ‘airworthy’ will mitigate some issues, obviously at an unlicensed aerodrome or non aviation site it’d purely be an HSE issue incident. The fact Wellesborne is licensed will probably attract aviation regulatory interest, and perhaps consideration of appropriate RFFS category. It’s currently A1 + A2 on request, that’s assuming there’s no additional cover deployed when these tests/demonstrations take place.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 07:25
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If only there was a second ASI in the cockpit…
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 09:46
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This has obviously attracted a lot of attention elsewhere ...some reports saying this was going to be the last fast taxy run for example, others saying the last one was five years ago, so presumably they've been doing regular anti-det runs in the interim...along with speculation this will be the end of such runs and a significant hike in insurance for types that can still be ground run.

There again, the Vulcan has always had an all terrain capability....three managed to land on Halton's grass runway after all.

Possibly it got a bit fed up looking at the same view day after day and decided it wanted a look down Tiddington Road....which is one of the more expensive in the UK.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 09:46
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There will always be a gobshite with a yellow jacket nearby....
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 10:55
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Was the man in the left hand seat an ex Vulcan pilot?
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 11:01
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
This has obviously attracted a lot of attention elsewhere ...some reports saying this was going to be the last fast taxy run for example, others saying the last one was five years ago, so presumably they've been doing regular anti-det runs in the interim...along with speculation this will be the end of such runs and a significant hike in insurance for types that can still be ground run.

There again, the Vulcan has always had an all terrain capability....three managed to land on Halton's grass runway after all.

Possibly it got a bit fed up looking at the same view day after day and decided it wanted a look down Tiddington Road....which is one of the more expensive in the UK.
​​​​​​The TBAG Buccaneers and the BCWM Jaguar always use first reference for speed from a GPS Speedo on a mobile phone. They also have worked out from the ODM the info for conditions of the day and time /distance. ASI can be another instrument used, it is never the primary (as not accurate at low speeds) and never alone in the two organisations mentioned. My comments about this on their FB group are not complimentary. Seems they have always allowed ego to overtake common sense in previous runs where they end up just short of the end of the runway.. They too a risk too far and are lucky that their airframe still has legs on it. Just been chatting to another CWJ fast taxi driver and he is nothing but damming about the professionalism shown yesterday.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 11:46
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A hand held satnav might have been useful
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 11:57
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Originally Posted by Jhieminga View Post
Judging from the images, the Wellesbourne Vulcan tried to get away but was reined in before it jumped the boundary fence. I hope everyone is safe and sound. I'm sure the airframe will find its way back onto terra firma soon.



Images courtesy of cg_341 at this UKAR thread.
Wellesborne is a FISO unit; they can't clear it for a high speed taxy.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 12:15
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What sort of anti-skid system does the Vulcan have?
If it is MaxArret type, I would have expected to see some rubber on the runway as the brakes locked and then released, assuming someone had there toes firmly on the pedals.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 13:24
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Originally Posted by EbonyGrove View Post
Be interesting to see their risk assessment (if it exists) on doing a fast taxi towards a main road and a pole which says "Gas Main" on it, with a non-airworthy aircraft. What could possibly go wrong?

While the Vulcan may not be air-worthy or covered by any CAA regs, the aerodrome itself is and is licenced and thus must ensure that all activities on the licenced area, whether air-worthy or not, are safe and reduce the risk to members of the public to ALARP.
Amazing to see the boring "health and safties" wade in as usual. GET A LIFE!!
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 13:29
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And with one mighty bound, he was -oh bugger.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 13:57
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Amazing to see the boring "health and safties" wade in as usual. GET A LIFE!!
Fair enough if they were playing with their own toys in private. However, this came very close to being an event where it went through the hedge and hit passing traffic, at which point we would be into a Shoreham Pt 2. If that were to occur then just as we have seen airshows and historic jet operations hughly affected then similar taxi runs would be closely controlled or scrapped even if they were sensibly undertaken.
These type of operations have been under the radar for a while (perhaps excepting the Bruntingthorpe Victor) They will only remain so if they are performed sensibly and H and S professionals aren't given a reason to investigate.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 15:09
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Any news on how the recovery operation is progressing?







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Old 17th Sep 2022, 15:25
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Fair enough if they were playing with their own toys in private. However, this came very close to being an event where it went through the hedge and hit passing traffic, at which point we would be into a Shoreham Pt 2. If that were to occur then just as we have seen airshows and historic jet operations hughly affected then similar taxi runs would be closely controlled or scrapped even if they were sensibly undertaken.
These type of operations have been under the radar for a while (perhaps excepting the Bruntingthorpe Victor) They will only remain so if they are performed sensibly and H and S professionals aren't given a reason to investigate.
Exactly this! Nothing to do with Health and Safety zealousness, everything to do with ensuring you have a comprehensive and complete safety and risk assessment for an aviation event involving the general public. I'm sure all the Hi-Viz yellow jacket jokes are just as hilarious to the families of the 11 deceased at Shoreham as they are here.
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