Battle of Britain 3 Days To Save The UK
Thread Starter
Battle of Britain 3 Days To Save The UK
SBS Australia Saturday Night 0835 pm, second part of this 3 part series.
Watched a few minutes of the first episode, from last week and so far so good.
Watched a few minutes of the first episode, from last week and so far so good.
Saving Britain
JetBlast member 2005.
JetBlast member 2006.
Banned 2007
JetBlast member 2006.
Banned 2007
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The US of A - sort of
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I've often wondered if Chamberlain knew exactly what he was doing when he held up the piece of paper. That he knew it would be the end of not only his political career, but also his reputation, but that he was prepared to pay that price in the hope that it would give us enough time to rearm
Had we not had that extra sliver of time, would Dowding have had anything to save?
Had we not had that extra sliver of time, would Dowding have had anything to save?
Dowding built the air defence system. Regardless of the aircraft Dowding refused to send to France, Beaverbrook was pivotal in diverting resources to fighter production during the BoB.
Fighter Command lost 40% of its strength from early August to the end of August.
Yet the number of aircraft available rose steadily from late June until late October , actually peaking at the end of August.
Fighter Command lost 40% of its strength from early August to the end of August.
Yet the number of aircraft available rose steadily from late June until late October , actually peaking at the end of August.
Hitler saved Britain by various means. A) After the defeat of France he ordered research into expensive new projects like the ME262 be ceased. B) He ordered advancement in bomber development (such as the Condor) be ceased. C) he genuinely wanted to spare Britain as he saw them as a future ally against communism.
Hitler and Churchill were both genocidal monsters (no arguments that Hitler was worse). The Victor got to write his own epitaph unsurprisingly.
Hitler and Churchill were both genocidal monsters (no arguments that Hitler was worse). The Victor got to write his own epitaph unsurprisingly.
Hitler saved Britain by various means.
One of the better outcomes of technology and the internet is that I can watch docos like this one on my Ipad while happily engaging in my favourite hobbies.
The German Armed forces had no contingency plan for a rapid, opportunistic invasion of the UK. Hitler quite rightly remembered how the French had pulled themselves off the floor in 1914 (and even in 1870) and wanted to be absolutely sure that this time there would be no comeback.
the British had an untested Air defence system but the month or so's breathing space after Dunkirk was just enough to survive- up fighter production and re equip the infantry
the British had an untested Air defence system but the month or so's breathing space after Dunkirk was just enough to survive- up fighter production and re equip the infantry
Aaaaa etc,
Chamberlain knew exactly what he was doing I believe. He well knew that Britain could not possibly go to war and survive at that point, not a hope in hell.
So I totally agree that Chamberlain was a true patriot in that he willingly sacrificed his career and reputation for the good of Britain.
An outstanding politician richly deserving a much better memory than he has these days.
Chamberlain knew exactly what he was doing I believe. He well knew that Britain could not possibly go to war and survive at that point, not a hope in hell.
So I totally agree that Chamberlain was a true patriot in that he willingly sacrificed his career and reputation for the good of Britain.
An outstanding politician richly deserving a much better memory than he has these days.
Churchill, a "genocidal monster"?
I don't think I've ever read such a ludicrously deluded or simply ridiculous post on this forum!
On which planet did you learn your 'history'?
I don't think I've ever read such a ludicrously deluded or simply ridiculous post on this forum!
On which planet did you learn your 'history'?
The Bengal famine was deliberately engineered by his government in 43 lets not forget. About 3 million people died in that one.
The man was a colonial bar steward, but thankfully less of a bar steward than the little Austrian chap.
You ask where I learned my history. I ask, genuinely, were you ever taught about British concentration camps in Kenya in the course of your education?
Last edited by Una Due Tfc; 3rd Oct 2021 at 01:36.
JetBlast member 2005.
JetBlast member 2006.
Banned 2007
JetBlast member 2006.
Banned 2007
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The US of A - sort of
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have read that Hitler's ultimate goal was to attack and defeat Russia (or Communism if you prefer) and it seems logical that the first strike would be to the West to secure the rear flank and gain/capture men and materiel. Britain being a Colonial power would possibly have been invited to join in rather than be invaded especially as invasion would be a costly affair. But it would still invaded if necessary. The US was at the time a rather small player on the world stage [1] and if you look at race relations in the thirties and forties you might ask: disregarding the attack on Pearl Harbor, which would have been the more logical side for it to join? ... especially if there was a pact between Germany and Britain [2]
It's easy to look at history through the lens of what we now know, and equally easy to forget that in 1939 things could have gone either way. There were after all quite a few British people who thought we should side with Germany
[1] Was WWII the best thing that ever happened to America?
[2] It is ironic that the US play a significant role in the defeat of Nazism with a segregated military
Using concentration camps to wipe out civilian populations based on ethnicity is the definition of genocide, no?
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
You ask where I learned my history. I ask, genuinely, were you ever taught about British concentration camps in Kenya in the course of your education?
It's the emotional inference from the term "Concentration" that aggravates the issue, by confounding the understanding with that of actual Extermination Camps.
Dowding built the air defence system. Regardless of the aircraft Dowding refused to send to France, Beaverbrook was pivotal in diverting resources to fighter production during the BoB.
Fighter Command lost 40% of its strength from early August to the end of August.
Yet the number of aircraft available rose steadily from late June until late October , actually peaking at the end of August.
Fighter Command lost 40% of its strength from early August to the end of August.
Yet the number of aircraft available rose steadily from late June until late October , actually peaking at the end of August.
PDR
The problem with Chamberlain isn't so much 1938 but 1939-40 when he proved incapable of fighting a war - the Norway Campaign was just the last in a series of really awful actions of his Govt. It was only after he was replaced that fighter production REALLY took off
Being prepared
The main difference in our defeat in France and our success in defending the homeland was the RAF had a 'system' for air defence albeit untested. As this was unique in world wide terms it was also a fairy well kept secret. The fact that the system worked (together with the Observer Corps back up) gave us that opportunity to deploy our limited forces to the best advantage. The effect on the Luftwaffe taking real casualties (and loosing crews) must have been a shock to their morale after having such a quick run through France. Had Russia not received the help we could provide after the BoB (we eventually sent them over 2,000 hurricanes) then their situation may not have prevailed.
Indeed the question about where you learnt your history needs to be asked because at its most basic you are getting it wrong. It may surprise you to learn that the first British concentration camps, in fact the first concentration camps were in South Africa during the Boer War. Rounding up the civilian population was an effective , if very cruel, way of suppressing the Boer insurgency/freedom fighters. Not genocide but in today's world possibly a war crime. What the Brits were doing in Kenya, which you either didn't know or failed to mention, was suppressing quite a vicious guerilla uprising by groups wanting independence. So the concentration camps would have been in response to that and which had proved effective in SA. The Brits had also suppressed a communist insurgency in Malaya so they had a proven strategy of dealing with in country uprisings. Their response was a military and security response but in no way does it meet the genocide definition. Crazy Adolf set about completely obliterating European Jewry as an aside to his military ambitions. To say the British actions are the same is simply incorrect.
The estimates vary wildly on the number of Kenyan civilians killed in those camps, from about 30k to well over 100k. The facts are the civilian population of a particular ethnic group (Mau Mau) were systematically rounded up, tortured, starved or just plain murdered with the intention of making them disappear or stop fighting for their independence, whichever occurred first (the women tended to have broken glass bottles shoved up their orifices for example, both as a form of torture and to make them infertile, again to wipe out the ethnic group). It only stopped when, as usual for the 20th century, the failing empire realised they had gone too far, could no longer suppress the insurrection and needed to get the hell out of Dodge fast (whilst burning as much incriminating documentation as possible).
Last edited by Una Due Tfc; 3rd Oct 2021 at 12:08.
"the way British industry comprehensively out-performed German industry from the mid 1930s to the end of the war "
The Germans weren't on anything like the same war footing as the UK until late '44 and even then Speer could never get Hitler to go for an absolute war economy
The British were ruthless from Day 1, introduced tough rationing, mobilising vast numbers of women and total Govt direction of all aspects of National Life - the Germans were still worrying about drafting servants as late as '43
The Germans weren't on anything like the same war footing as the UK until late '44 and even then Speer could never get Hitler to go for an absolute war economy
The British were ruthless from Day 1, introduced tough rationing, mobilising vast numbers of women and total Govt direction of all aspects of National Life - the Germans were still worrying about drafting servants as late as '43