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Old 20th Aug 2021, 18:09
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Originally Posted by washoutt View Post
Shouldn't the first picture be turned 90 degrees clockwise?
It doesn't seem to be a paste-and-cut photo, the shadow of the (setting?) sun thrown on the fuselage is in the same direction as the shadow of the rectangular wall on the ground.
That would surely suggest that the aeroplane is flying over the top of the sun (looking at where the shadow of the wing lies on the fuselage). The Hurricane was a big step-up in performance when it was introduced, but I've never seen it suggested it could fly THAT high...

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Old 20th Aug 2021, 18:50
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
...about tea time.
Yes, the Gillette factory is definitely casting a five o'clock shadow.
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Old 20th Aug 2021, 18:58
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Old 20th Aug 2021, 19:14
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Im questioning the orientation of the picture.
Wondering if the original may have been



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Old 20th Aug 2021, 19:27
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
That would surely suggest that the aeroplane is flying over the top of the sun (looking at where the shadow of the wing lies on the fuselage).
Well to me it suggests a fairly low sun angle and aeroplane that is pitched up and rolled left. To deduce how much pitched up and how much rolled left one would first need to know the sun angle. Hence my suggestion of starting with the tower shadow.

I tried all 4 rotations of the image and 90 deg clockwise from the published image makes most sense to me. Mid to late afternoon spring or autumn is as far as I got but, at that time of day 45 deg pitch and roll seems more than enough for that shadow.

It's along time since I lived in UK and I've become used to sun angles in Arizona so I could be way off. I'm sure some of the current or retired photo analysts would come up with a much better answer.
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Old 20th Aug 2021, 19:50
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The shadow cast by the tower on the Gillette Building appears to actually be a gap between saw-toothed roofing in a kind of quadrangle behind the front block of the building, the whole area is in shadow. Agree it's a very low sun angle, looks like very long tree and house shadows around the tailplane and under the wing. Google...

The tree shadows - if that's what they are! - look like they may be bare of leaves, late autumn, winter or maybe spring then!
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Old 20th Aug 2021, 19:52
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At the risk of stating the obvious, all we seem to be debating is which way up the photographer happened to be holding the camera.

None of the four possible orientations of the photo make any difference to the orientation or trajectory of the aircraft, given that we can see both the ground and, by deduction, the direction of the sun.

Try it next time you're at the airport - take a picture of a departing airliner with your camera upside-down, and see if the passengers notice any difference.

Next, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin ...
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Old 20th Aug 2021, 22:05
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Try it next time you're at the airport - take a picture of a departing airliner with your camera upside-down, and see if the passengers notice any difference.
My views on photographic composition may be a bit old fashioned. I prefer the sky at the top, ground at the bottom, and features that are vertical to appear vertical in the image.

Had I taken the photo with the camera upside down, and there are good reasons to sometimes do that with an SLR, I would simply have rotated the image when I got home. The passengers would also have been unaware of this second inversion.

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Old 21st Aug 2021, 04:39
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
At the risk of stating the obvious, all we seem to be debating is which way up the photographer happened to be holding the camera.
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Well at least youll be starting the discussion from the right perspective.
Might make it easier to spot discrepancies if it is indeed a fake.

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Old 21st Aug 2021, 08:19
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I really do not think it is a fake B2N2
I think your orientation in post #24 is probably the correct one - looking at the shadow angles.
They are lovely pictures and the low sun must have been uncomfortable for the Hurri Pilot formating on the camera aircraft.
In times gone by - the photographer would always have been credited with the shot - nowadays of course all we find out is the copyright holder
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 08:27
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Yes, the Gillette factory is definitely casting a five o'clock shadow.
I like that one Dave
Interestingly (or otherwise) - one of my school teachers (from 50+ years ago) had the nickname of 'Gillette' - he always had the Desperate Dan type blue chin LOL
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 08:44
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Fabuleous discussion here. This is exactly the reason, how mankind got the wheel, electricity and the covid vaccins. This is science before your eyes. Great reading!
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 15:32
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Compare to today

Here's the same area today, courtesy Google Earth. As someone mentioned, you can see that the line in the roof of the factory is architecural. The top of the picture is North so the sun in the Hurri photo is shining from the South-East, and therefore it's a morning shot in winter rather than an afternoon shot. (That is, if I remember my O Level geography correctly!!!)

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Old 21st Aug 2021, 15:45
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Whoops

Just realised: the Google pic I posted does not have North at the top: it is Nor'west. That means that the sun in the Hurri photo is around due South, so probably midday in the middle of winter.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 17:49
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Originally Posted by Flyingmole View Post
Just realised: the Google pic I posted does not have North at the top: it is Nor'west.
Hmmm. I think you mean it's oriented with Northeast(ish) at the top.




If it's any help, the dual carriageway heading out of the bottom of your photo (the A4/Great West Road) has a heading of 265 true at that point, as GE will confirm - in other words, within a gnat's of due West (the clue's in the name).

Your photo needs rotating by approximately 60 CW to put N at the top.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 13:42
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Can't be England, look at the weather
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 15:11
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I've passed Gillette Corner many many times!
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 23:17
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But no close shaves.....




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Old 29th Aug 2021, 15:48
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
So I would suggest this could actually be a publicity sortie in which the RAF is showing off its latest high-performance fighter taken some time in 1937/8.
Both pictures show the Type A1 roundel which as everyone knows was on all camouflaged surfaces from 1937 to 1939 ... March 1939 IIRC




... ok I looked it up on Wikipedia, but I'm surprised nobody mentioned the markings
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 07:27
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Obviously not too many members of the 'Roundel Police' on here Mr Aaaaaargh
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