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What is known about this photo is;11" x 7" original Black & White photo in contemporary wood frame 14" x 11"
Signed "Louis Noel" dated 4 July 1913
The location is thought to be Hendon and the passenger identity ?Edwin Simmons.
Any further information welcomed.
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Signed "Louis Noel" dated 4 July 1913
The location is thought to be Hendon and the passenger identity ?Edwin Simmons.
Any further information welcomed.
Thanks in advance
Chris
Louis Noel was employed by the Grahame-White flying school at Hendon in 1913. RAeS Aviators Certificate 416 was granted to Lieutenant M W Noel 18/02/13 but I am not sure if this is the same person.
the original picture, without the inscription, is here https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail...oto/1080752246
Edwin Simmonds is hard to find but 25th September 1916 - Flying Officer Killed Near Birmingham executing loop-the-loop. | Worcestershire WW1 Centenary lists :-
SIMMONS, EDWIN
Additional information:Son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Henry Simmons; husband of Minnie Louise Simmons, of 6, St. James's Place, Brighton.Cemetery:SERRE ROAD CEMETERY No.2Cemetery/memorial reference:IV. H. 19.Country:United Kingdom
Edwin Simmonds is hard to find but 25th September 1916 - Flying Officer Killed Near Birmingham executing loop-the-loop. | Worcestershire WW1 Centenary lists :-
Casualties
- Pte. Albert Stride30637 - 1st Bn Worcs Reg
- Albert Cull21215 - Grenadier Guards
- Albert Hooper28716 - Machine Gun Corps
- Edwin Simmons14248 - Scots Guards
SIMMONS, EDWIN
Additional information:Son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Henry Simmons; husband of Minnie Louise Simmons, of 6, St. James's Place, Brighton.Cemetery:SERRE ROAD CEMETERY No.2Cemetery/memorial reference:IV. H. 19.Country:United Kingdom
Dallas-Brett's History of British Aviation shows Certificate 119 as having been issued to Mr Theodore J Ridge on the 17th of August 1911. Unfortunately Mr Ridge was killed in an accident the 18th of August 1911, looks like his number was reallocated to Noel.
A google search brings up a possible mention of a photographer - you'd have to search through the pages in the Univ of Leicester website
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STREET DIRECTORY, 1914. 324 Ferrari Giovannf, confectioner. 332 & 334 ... 53 Langton Edwin Simmons, pho~apher. 55 Ash croft J ohu. 57 Stevens Alfred ...
Also a Sir Oliver Edwin Simmonds who was withe RAE in the 20's but he looks to be too young... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Simmonds - maybe a relative???
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STREET DIRECTORY, 1914. - Special Collections Online
http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk › collection › downloadSTREET DIRECTORY, 1914. 324 Ferrari Giovannf, confectioner. 332 & 334 ... 53 Langton Edwin Simmons, pho~apher. 55 Ash croft J ohu. 57 Stevens Alfred ...
Also a Sir Oliver Edwin Simmonds who was withe RAE in the 20's but he looks to be too young... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Simmonds - maybe a relative???
In longer ron's pic what's the horn-like device on the fuselage? It doesn't look like a venturi - and they didn't have gyro instruments then - surely it's not - a horn?
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...and, from the Wigton Advertiser, 25th October 1913
Probably the heaviest passenger ever carried in a flight ascended in a Grahame-White biplane, piloted by Mr. Louis Noel, at the London Aerodrome. Hendon. The passenger, Mrs. Emma Griffiths, wife of the vicar of Mathry, Pembrokeshire, weighed 19st. 10lb
Leinster Reporter - Saturday 27 September 1913
Mr Louis Noel piloted the Grahame White aerial "char-a-banc" at Hendon on Sunday afternoon, when a world', record was established by the carrying of seven passengers for 17 minutes 35 secs....and, from the Wigton Advertiser, 25th October 1913
Probably the heaviest passenger ever carried in a flight ascended in a Grahame-White biplane, piloted by Mr. Louis Noel, at the London Aerodrome. Hendon. The passenger, Mrs. Emma Griffiths, wife of the vicar of Mathry, Pembrokeshire, weighed 19st. 10lb
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from the
...and, from the Wigton Advertiser, 25th October 1913
Probably the heaviest passenger ever carried in a flight ascended in a Grahame-White biplane, piloted by Mr. Louis Noel, at the London Aerodrome. Hendon. The passenger, Mrs. Emma Griffiths, wife of the vicar of Mathry, Pembrokeshire, weighed 19st. 10lb
Leinster Reporter - Saturday 27 September 1913
Mr Louis Noel piloted the Grahame White aerial "char-a-banc" at Hendon on Sunday afternoon, when a world', record was established by the carrying of seven passengers for 17 minutes 35 secs....and, from the Wigton Advertiser, 25th October 1913
Probably the heaviest passenger ever carried in a flight ascended in a Grahame-White biplane, piloted by Mr. Louis Noel, at the London Aerodrome. Hendon. The passenger, Mrs. Emma Griffiths, wife of the vicar of Mathry, Pembrokeshire, weighed 19st. 10lb
Good god! Publishing a lady's WEIGHT!!! 
I always thought it was terrible form to mention her AGE but no ever, ever, ever suggested weight ..................
I always thought it was terrible form to mention her AGE but no ever, ever, ever suggested weight ..................
She looks to be a formidable woman, judging by the look on Mr Noel's face she appears to have scared him rigid!!
I should add, a really interesting thread with some very fascinating links.
I should add, a really interesting thread with some very fascinating links.
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Body positivity. And she'll smash anyone who makes an issue of it. And by the way, the collection at Matins was unsatisfactory last Sunday and she'll be taking the plate around herself next time. Or possibly she was a good sport.
Pretty brave for sure