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Old 27th Nov 2020, 14:13
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NEW DAMS RAID DOCUMENTARY

Dan Snow presents a new documentary on the Dams Raid (Op CHASTISE) - Tuesday 1 Dec 20 at 2100, UK Channel 5.

PLEASE - no smart @rse comments on the dog's name......
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Old 27th Nov 2020, 14:44
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What, not even on this particular Friday?

Thanks for the heads up!
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Old 27th Nov 2020, 14:57
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Originally Posted by Downwind.Maddl-Land View Post
Dan Snow presents a new documentary on the Dams Raid (Op CHASTISE) - Tuesday 1 Dec 20 at 2100, UK Channel 5.
Parts 2 and 3 on the following evenings.
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Old 27th Nov 2020, 15:23
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More fodder for Channel 5 audiences who think Chastise was Bomber Command's only operation in WWII. Still, some nice (if inevitable) air-to-air shots of Coningsby's Lancaster, I hear.

I recommend watching the video link referred to under the 'RV Jones...' title in this sub-section earlier in the week, in which - in colour - the esteemed boffin talks to a real Dambuster, Air Marshal 'Micky' Martin, about employing triangulation on the run-in.

Kudos to the OP, ROC Man: I learned a few things I never knew before about the operation.
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Really - has he anything new to say? I doubt it.........................
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Actually a fair amount of information was covered by the Official Secrets Act when the original film was made, so who knows?
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yeah but there's a new documentary every six months - because it is somwthing Joe Public recognises, it's a simple tale , a one night operation - they can't get the bums on seats for say Coastal Command
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Really - has he anything new to say? I doubt it.........................
Well, after he told his daughters that loads of female pilots flew Spitfires in the Battle of Britain, perhaps we'll be treated to the revelation that some of them were streamed off in training and went onto bombers before GG chose a couple of all female crews.
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 09:55
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How good was the original film !!

The more 'Docu Drama' offerings that come out really only highlight what a good job they made of the original film.
The original film gave a very good idea of both the human cost of the operation plus the very tight time schedule for the tech side and crew training.
Films are basically entertainment, and should not be treated as historical material, but in the case of the Dam Busters they certainly did a good job considering the security constraints at the time of making. The clips of the 'no ball' trials were excellent and then we had Eric Coates giving us that classic theme tune. But it also finished with a very moving ending, that left no one in any doubt of the true cost of the operation, and how empty the mess was the next morning, which of course was true of Bomber Command at the time.
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Originally Posted by Downwind.Maddl-Land View Post
Dan Snow presents a new documentary on the Dams Raid (Op CHASTISE) - Tuesday 1 Dec 20 at 2100, UK Channel 5.

PLEASE - no smart @rse comments on the dog's name......
However interesting the programme maybe, there's one obvious problem.....you mentioned him at the onset.
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 11:36
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Leighton Lucas' music

Aside from Eric Coates' theme, much of the emotional impact of the original film should be credited to composer Leighton Lucas' incidental score - some of which (albeit adapted) can be heard
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I still find it very moving 55 years after first seeing the film.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Really - has he anything new to say? I doubt it.........................
Bearing in mind that the film was highly inaccurate in a lot of respects, but forms the basis of much of the Great British Public's knowledge of the operation, perhaps a proper documentary - as opposed to docudrama - telling the correct factual history is overdue.

KnC - nice try! Fail.
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I wonder if the remake of the Dambusters is still on the cards!!
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New information? Or new ways to show the old information?

In the current circumstances TV and Film makers are going for the easy money options, even more so than they always have done. Whilst there are many stories of WWII not yet told, they will always be overtaken by the mythology of the Lancaster and the Spitire. The Hurricane still loses out. The Mosquito wins more than the Beaufighter and the Halifax and others.
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Really - has he anything new to say? I doubt it.........................
Has the excerable Dan Snow anything useful to say on anything at all?
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 18:09
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I’m sure I’ve seen this before, the trailer shows Snow flying the route in a light twin. I recall seeing that, the pilot was ex-Red Arrows. Does that ring a bell with anyone else?
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Iím sure Iíve seen this before, the trailer shows Snow flying the route in a light twin. I recall seeing that, the pilot was ex-Red Arrows. Does that ring a bell with anyone else?
Martin Shaw (actor and pilot) did something like that a few years ago?
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There was a great program on the Smithsonian Channel recently about what happened to the 617 squadron after the dam buster raid. Having put together a squadron capable of precision bombing, the RAF naturally wanted to keep using it's ability. Very interesting stuff that I'd not heard of before (not all successful raids though, and losses continued to be heavy).
I don't recall exactly what the program was called - although I saved the program on my DVR, I'm not currently at home to check it.
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There was a great program on the Smithsonian Channel recently about what happened to the 617 squadron after the dam buster raid. Having put together a squadron capable of precision bombing, the RAF naturally wanted to keep using it's ability. Very interesting stuff that I'd not heard of before (not all successful raids though, and losses continued to be heavy).
I don't recall exactly what the program was called - although I saved the program on my DVR, I'm not currently at home to check it.


Here's a tip: switch off your TV and read the book - The Dam Busters by Paul Brickhill. The story of 617 is in there right up to the end of the war. Some of the stuff they did later was even more dangerous than the dams raid e.g. the Dortmund-Ems canal attacks. Men of steel.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 15:13
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Another golden oldie from the past (1945) is being broadcast on Film4 this Wednesday afternoon at 12.50. "The Way To The Stars" with John Mills among others. Well worth watching.
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