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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 09:19
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Any F-84 Experts Here?

Was wondering if we have any F-84 experts on the forum who might know anything about F-84Fs used in Project Gun-Val? Particularly interested in what armament they evaluated and which/how many airframes were used?

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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 06:41
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Not an expert, but this article seems to answer your questions:
Cannon-Armed F-86Fs
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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 07:19
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Originally Posted by Beamr View Post
Not an expert, but this article seems to answer your questions:
Cannon-Armed F-86Fs
Unless I missed it I couldn't see any reference???? Can you advise which part to look at?

EDIT: I did a search in the text and no reference either...
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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 07:22
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Another cannon armed F-86 was the Australian built version with a pair of 30mm Adens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_Sabre
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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 07:30
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Please folks I'm looking for F-84F.
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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 07:32
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nevermind... I can only find references to F-86F regarding GunVal.
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Originally Posted by Beamr View Post
nevermind...
Beamr: can you advise on the F-84 info?

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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 08:11
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Originally Posted by Quemerford View Post
Beamr: can you advise on the F-84 info?

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I'm terribly sorry but to my understanding the Gun Val project was solely about Sabres. There are multitude of documents stating the Gun Val was about testing more efficient machine guns on F-86 Sabre to increase the kill rate against MiG 15's.
including (but not excluding)
https://www.eisenhowerlibrary.gov/si...-relations.pdf
quote: FURNAS, CLIFFORD C.: Papers, 1918-1969. Dr. Clifford Furnas was an engineer and an Assistant Secretary of Defense for Research and Development. He was associated with Defense Department research and development from 1952 to 1969. His papers include a file of material concerning the Army OrdnanceAdvisory Committee in 1952-53. This file contains approximately 25 pages of memoranda and correspondence regarding an Air Force project "Gun Val" that was concerned with testing in combat in Korea small arms automatic weapons on aircraft to determine if weapons meet Air Force air-to-air gunnery requirements. Box 1 Army Ordnance Advisory Committee 1952-53 - contains the Project Gun Val material

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a057002.pdf
This study does not mention Gun Val in relation to F-84 nor P-84, but different machine guns were tested on separate test beds eg XP-84A. But those were NOT tested in a real battle, merely tested by the manufacturer to gain better C of G and stability.

So what I get out of this is that with the F84 there was no project name for machine gun testing in real life, but with F86 there was a Gun Val (gun evaluation) project which included real life testing against MiG 15's. What a job for a test pilot, huh.

I may be wrong of course, but this is what I have understood from the files.
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OK thanks.
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