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Old 4th Jul 2020, 14:21
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What are these aircraft?

I found these photos of my dad in Egypt in 1946/7, and I recognise the Avro York, but what are the other two?



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Old 4th Jul 2020, 14:35
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Top one, Handley Page Halton, middle is a Lockheed Lodestar I think.
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Old 4th Jul 2020, 14:59
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I agree that the middle one is a Lockheed Lodestar or as called by the British (who used a lot of them), the Lockheed Hudson. The bottom aircraft is an Avro York.

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The BOAC Lodestar named "Lake Kivu" was G-AGCU, Served from 1941 to 1947. Ex NC34900, 42-53499, RAF AX720. Returned to the RAF. More on http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1942_3.html

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The Halton at top appears to have LAMS (London Aero and Motor Services) titles and the name is most likely "Port of London", making it G-AHZO. It was registered to this company from July 1946 to December 1948.
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I agree that the middle one is a Lockheed Lodestar or as called by the British (who used a lot of them), the Lockheed Hudson.
Not quite - a Lodestar was the Model 18, a variant of the Ventura.
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Those are indeed nice pictures. I suspect they were taken by a professional, since they seem to have been made with a very large camera: the depth of field is extremely narrow, especially considering how bright the light must have been, allowing a small lens aperture.
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Large aperture, surely, for narrow depth of field?
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Large aperture, surely - for narrow depth of field?
Super quality pics though
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I think Parrot's point was that in spite of the bright light, which would have normally implied using a small aperture, the photographer clearly didn't.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I think Parrot's point was that in spite of the bright light, which would have normally implied using a small aperture, the photographer clearly didn't.
Sorry, wasn't clear. Bright light, so probably did use a small aperture (f/11, maybe, probably not wider than f/8). On a smallish camera (Rollei down), that would mean a big depth of field. But these pictures have a shallow depth of field, so they must have been taken on a large camera (5x4, probably), with which size you'd get a shallow depth of field even with a small aperture. Hence, professional (in the '40s, they'd still be using such big cameras). Alternatively, someone using an aerial camera: they made big negatives, and did have fast lenses (though I don't know what speed film they used).
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Originally Posted by Fishtailed View Post
I found these photos of my dad in Egypt in 1946/7, and I recognise the Avro York, but what are the other two?
Lovely shot of "Lake Kivu," thank you. 18-2068 means she was the 68th production model built. Not a Hudson - they were the military version of the Lockheed 14 Super Electra. Not a Ventura either - similar, and the Ventura was indeed the later military version of the Lodestar, but with a distinctively different rear fuselage shape. Based at Almaza. With BOAC from 18th July 1941 to November 1947. She's in the second post-war livery, so that was mostly 1946. Please can you tell us more details about your Dad? What was he doing out there? Any service details; unit etc. Would love a rescan of this shot, as I'm rather crazy about BOAC Lodestars! I am on the case to Madrid looking for any photos and details of the nine ex-BOAC Lodestars parked up for two years for CANA, then flown for four years by the Ejército del Aire (1950-1954). Very little seems to be known about that time while they were in Spain (but I'm hoping for details soon!) Pete.
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Fishtailed, as has been said your first photo is of a Handley Page Halton, the civil version of the WWII Halifax bomber.
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Although the Hudson and the Ventura are superficially similar and had the same wingspan, the Ventura was a larger and heavier aircraft. The engines were 2000 HP P&W R-2800s versus 1100 HP Wright Cyclones in the Hudson. The Ventura had a gross weight of 31,000 lb versus the Hudson's 17,500 lb.
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Some thread drift coming up...... East African Airways was an extensive user of Lockheed Lodestars, the first five of which came from parent company BOAC. In total they operated 15 aircraft. Others were sourced from the Congo & South Africa (ex SAA).

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