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Old 12th Apr 2020, 07:06
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In the 70s the fire dump had several propliners, a DC-7 amongst other things.

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In the 70s the fire dump had several propliners, a DC-7 amongst other things.
Can anyone who has photos of this time period of the fire dump/storage/Mx areas post them please ? My photos are long gone sadly, but memories are being triggered by this thread. The Aeropa 707 tail motif really jogged the grey matter :-)
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 07:21
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In the 70s the fire dump had several propliners, a DC-7 amongst other things.
That would have been the former Martinair Holland DC-7 PH-DSO that was at the old fire dump for many years during the early to mid seventies.




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Great information and photos as ever guys. Was the old fire dump over by where the Tristar is / was stored?


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Originally Posted by Wyvernfan View Post
Great information and photos as ever guys. Was the old fire dump over by where the Tristar is / was stored?


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The TriStar was scrapped a couple of years ago.
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean View Post
I personally didn't feel the need to add that information to the Stansted Airport History and Nostalgia thread considering that the discussion was referring to Denver Ports of Call and their visits to London Stansted Airport 🤔
Yes, but you have to recognise that threads evolve and occasionally go off piste, in my view the they best not "moderated" (with a small "m"!). As someone who, as I mentioned above rarely visited Stansted during it's "interesting" period (pre EZY and RYR) I find it very interesting; one of the go-to threads in PPRuNe.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 08:33
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Originally Posted by Wyvernfan View Post
Great information and photos as ever guys. Was the old fire dump over by where the Tristar is / was stored?


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The old fire dump was situated on the southside of the airport approximately where the current cargo area is now.

As already stated the former Classic Airways L1011 TriStar G-IOIT was scrapped about three years ago.

It was used for tug towage training for several year's, it moved location on many occasions within the northside area and was eventually abandoned before being finally scrapped.



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Old 12th Apr 2020, 09:01
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Yes, but you have to recognise that threads evolve and occasionally go off piste, in my view the they best not "moderated" (with a small "m"!). As someone who, as I mentioned above rarely visited Stansted during it's "interesting" period (pre EZY and RYR) I find it very interesting; one of the go-to threads in PPRuNe.
If I can quote you from your post's 190 and 192.... just in case you had forgotten!

It could easily have carried on in the same way!
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 09:51
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Great fire dump/ATEL ramp shots. Remember cycling around to the fire dump from the terminal as part of a days spotting. Past the end of 05 threshold, left at the Kearsley hangar then left again at Four Ashes.. I have a picture somewhere of a Falcon 10 or 20 that languished on the dump for many years, plus a few of the Aeroamerica 707's that would frequent ATEL before ending their days in a dismantled state.

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I thought that I would make a list of all of the international flag carriers/airline's that have previously operated full scheduled passenger service's from London Stansted Airport over the years right up until the present day.
Air Asia X - Kuala Lumpur
American Airlines - O'Hare
Continental - Newark
EOS - JFK
MaxJet - LA, Las Vegas, JFK, Dulles
Sun Country - Minneapolis
Emirates - Dubai

and Ryanair! My first flight with them was way back in November 1993, STN-DUB, out in BAC 1-11 - 523FJ EI-CCX and back in BAC 1-11 - 501EX EI-CIB

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Originally Posted by TCU View Post
Great fire dump/ATEL ramp shots. Remember cycling around to the fire dump from the terminal as part of a days spotting. Past the end of 05 threshold, left at the Kearsley hangar then left again at Four Ashes.. I have a picture somewhere of a Falcon 10 or 20 that languished on the dump for many years, plus a few of the Aeroamerica 707's that would frequent ATEL before ending their days in a dismantled state.



Air Asia X - Kuala Lumpur
American Airlines - O'Hare
Continental - Newark
EOS - JFK
MaxJet - LA, Las Vegas, JFK, Dulles
Sun Country - Minneapolis
Emirates - Dubai

and Ryanair! My first flight with them was way back in November 1993, STN-DUB, out in BAC 1-11 - 523FJ EI-CCX and back in BAC 1-11 - 501EX EI-CIB
My list was referring to "all international flag carriers/airline's that have previously" operated full scheduled passenger services from London Stansted Airport over the years right up until the present day.

If you look at the list it only list's scheduled "flag carriers" that previously flew from London Stansted Airport.

None of the airline's that you have listed are international flag carrier's.

Other than the airline's that you have listed there are many many more, a topic I shall pick up on later.

I am going to do a post regarding the US flights from London Stansted Airport during the 1990's and 2000's shortly where I will mention the other airlines.

FYI American Airlines also briefly flew to New York JFK in 2007/2008, flight AA124/AA125.
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When Transmeridian introduced the DC-8 Mike Keegan bought an ex Aliatalia DC-8 (RR Conway powered) which only had 200 hours left on it. Bought very cheaply, it was used for crew training and then stripped of serviceable components and left by the fire station. Not before however a “company jolly” outing took place - a day trip to Ostend. TFK took the left hand seat himself IIRC.
The TMAC engineers reckoned it was in tremendous nick and had high praise for Alitalia engineering.
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Do you have a photo of that particular aircraft. I think that I'm aware of the actual aircraft in question, was it actually painted in the full TRANSMERIDIAN livery?
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I think the crew training DC-8 was a -33, G-BETJ, ex KLM and African Safari. All the others on the UK register (TAC and IAS) were -54Fs.
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Treaders is correct: it was in ASA livery.
Sadly I have no photos of the ‘8s but I’ll look into some old stuff - I’ve got quite a few of the ‘44s. Mostly down route though and not at STN.

ps I think the 2 TMAC DC-8s (G-BFHW and G-BTAC?) were ex KLM (-54 series, definitely P&W powered) but I’d always thought the ASA liveried one was ex Alitalia.
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I recall that about 6 months after the American flight to Chicago started, they had a competition to guess which destination was flown on to from the Stansted flight through Chicago more than any other. This was done with leaflets on the AA ticket desk, one of which I picked up when passing (from AirUK or Ryanair !), as the desk was unstaffed then, filled in Los Angeles, and put it in the box provided alongside. Prize was, of course, two tickets on AA to anywhere in the US.

Sure I was right, and encouraged by the box appearing virtually empty, I kept looking at the AA website until an answer was finally posted there - Minneapolis. I really found this a little unlikely.

Anybody else go in for it ?
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 13:52
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I recall that about 6 months after the American flight to Chicago started, they had a competition to guess which destination was flown on to from the Stansted flight through Chicago more than any other. This was done with leaflets on the AA ticket desk, one of which I picked up when passing (from AirUK or Ryanair !), as the desk was unstaffed then, filled in Los Angeles, and put it in the box provided alongside. Prize was, of course, two tickets on AA to anywhere in the US.

Sure I was right, and encouraged by the box appearing virtually empty, I kept looking at the AA website until an answer was finally posted there - Minneapolis. I really found this a little unlikely.

Anybody else go in for it ?
My first visit to the "new" Stansted was in 1992 a few weeks before the first American Airlines flight from Chicago to London Stansted started. I traveled up from Southampton for the day to have a look at the new terminal and saw the unmanned check in desks all set up with the American Airlines name and logos. They really stood out as the airport and terminal was still fairly quiet in 1992.

I wasn't aware of the competition that your referring to at the time of the visit to the terminal in 1992 and I only became aware of it many years later.

When American Airlines announced that they were to fly from Chicago O'Hare to London Stansted Airport on the 15 October 1991 it was a huge deal for the airport and it more or less came of age especially as it was the airport's first and only scheduled transatlantic flight at the time.

At the time of it's announcement American Airlines did a lot of advertising especially in the London area and in particular on the underground claiming that they now flew daily to the USA from all of the three London airport's.

American Airlines commenced direct daily flights between London Stansted Airport and Chicago O'Hare Airport on the 16 June 1992 with a Boeing 767-200 registration N328AA. Over 20,000 passengers were carried in the first three months of operations, but the average yield per passenger was low and losses of some $10 million had been accrued by the time the service was suspended on the 31 May 1992.

American Airlines returned to London Stansted Airport again in 2007 with a New York JFK flight. The flight commenced in October 2007 with a daily Boeing 767-300. The flight didn't last long even though American Airlines had announced that the flight would go double daily for summer 2008 shortly before they announced that it was being axed. The last American Airlines flight between New York JFK and London Stansted Airport was in April 2008. Flight numbers were AA124/AA125.

​​​​​​I was actually going to do a post about the former scheduled trans-Atlantic flights between London Stansted Airport and the USA over the next day or so with reference to American Airlines, EOS, MaxJet, Primea with the addition of some photos. I still intend on doing so and might well duplicate the post with the content I've already provided in this post regarding the history of American Airlines at London Stansted Airport.





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Old 12th Apr 2020, 13:59
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None of the airline's that you have listed are international flag carrier's
I suspect Emirates probably are....
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I suspect Emirates probably are....
Emirates is based in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

Etihad is based in Abu Dhabi, the capital city of the United Arab Emirates and is the "official" flag carrier of the United Arab Emirates even though Emirates is the oldest, largest and more well known of the two.
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My first visit to Stansted was in the early ‘80s. At the time I collected tails and recall the ASA DC-8s. Seem to remember a CAA Dove around somewhere on the fire ground amid numerous 707s (Air Berlin?). Best bit was the Young Cargo Britannias.

This was before the expansion and new terminal. Seems the place has lost a lot of its character.
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Don't know if it's true but I heard at the time that the AA JFK schedule introduced in 2007 was mainly aimed at taking market share from Maxjet and EOS who both went out of business soon after so maybe AA's plan worked helping towards their quick demise. AA then pulled the route.
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