Posts about the AH&N 24 hour rule
To repeat the Words from the Mountain ((my emphasis) :-
Senior Pilot said (What Cockpit post # 1350 07/01/20) "Quite simply, you can post and discuss to your heart's content from the moment a challenge appears, but the declaration of a winner will not occur until 24 hours has elapsed. This applies to all three competition threads: a reference Wiki also covers the airfield thread.I would emphasise that all threads should respect that this is the Aviation History & Nostalgia forum with an expectation of historic images and/or subjects please."
Come back at 13:02 Thursday Board Time (12:02 Zulu) for an update......................... both dook and I have run into trouble mod-wise relatively recently and so must be above suspicion.
One answer is to set fiendishly hard challenges of course - next time I'll start with a close-up of a wing nut , then gradually expand the pictures over 24 hours - perhaps then a bracing wire, then a wheel, then a shot of the rudder - then when someone gets it we can restart immediately..................
Senior Pilot said (What Cockpit post # 1350 07/01/20) "Quite simply, you can post and discuss to your heart's content from the moment a challenge appears, but the declaration of a winner will not occur until 24 hours has elapsed. This applies to all three competition threads: a reference Wiki also covers the airfield thread.I would emphasise that all threads should respect that this is the Aviation History & Nostalgia forum with an expectation of historic images and/or subjects please."
Come back at 13:02 Thursday Board Time (12:02 Zulu) for an update......................... both dook and I have run into trouble mod-wise relatively recently and so must be above suspicion.
One answer is to set fiendishly hard challenges of course - next time I'll start with a close-up of a wing nut , then gradually expand the pictures over 24 hours - perhaps then a bracing wire, then a wheel, then a shot of the rudder - then when someone gets it we can restart immediately..................
I’d much rather that people give the answer"
The 24 hour rule is to allow newbies and people world wide to contribute - problem is if one of the local regulars posts winning answer (even tho it is not declared a win for 24 hours) the newbies don't bother..........
I think the solution is to restrict people to a single post every 24 hours on each of the What? threads but what do I know?
The 24 hour rule is to allow newbies and people world wide to contribute - problem is if one of the local regulars posts winning answer (even tho it is not declared a win for 24 hours) the newbies don't bother..........
I think the solution is to restrict people to a single post every 24 hours on each of the What? threads but what do I know?
Quem - I've explained why I crop pictures - its either because there is something in the main picture that gives the game away (eg a large sign saying "Welcome to Hawker Aviation" - or because if I run it through Google Image it comes up with the answer or something very close to it . I run almost all the images through that before posting these days - not that I believe anyone here used it but it removes the temptation............
Would any one be supportive of an approach to the Mods to change the rules from the 24 hr wait to perhaps a limited number of individual posts per challenge?
We'd have to word it carefully - something starting
"Honorable Lords, your servants, kneeling, cringingly crave your indulgence to humbly present our worthless thoughts.........................
I would be supportive of a change along the lines that regulars who have won in the previous week are not allowed to post answers or clues within 24 hours.
Your right Bear - I should start in "Most exquisite Excellencies..." can't appear to be too common to them............
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It's not "our new tradition".
It just makes a mockery of the spirit of the thread and serves no purpose.
Much more of this garbage and I'm sure I'm not the only one who won't participate in what used to be intuitive and fun threads.
It just makes a mockery of the spirit of the thread and serves no purpose.
Much more of this garbage and I'm sure I'm not the only one who won't participate in what used to be intuitive and fun threads.
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dook, I’ll be blunt. I don’t like your activity here, I don’t enjoy your input. I find you obsessive and nihilistic, and I’d rather you weren’t around.
I think the ‘no comment for 24 hours’ idea is a brilliant foil to the new rules and I embrace it.
If you don’t like that, I recommend you move on.
I'm sorry if that’s hurtful, but it’s genuinely how I feel.
I think the ‘no comment for 24 hours’ idea is a brilliant foil to the new rules and I embrace it.
If you don’t like that, I recommend you move on.
I'm sorry if that’s hurtful, but it’s genuinely how I feel.
Chasing people to post immediately the challenge was open was one of the things that led to the Mods intervention in the first place IIRC
We really need to stop checking this thread every hour.... I'm as guilty as the next I'm afraid................
We really need to stop checking this thread every hour.... I'm as guilty as the next I'm afraid................
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I have no problem with things moving fast; I can dip in and out depending on the other calls on my time. I have a huge problem with obsessive pestering and criticism from self-appointed Grandees. We seem to have got rid of one of them...
The rules of this thread were changed by the mods because they needed to be changed. I’m not a mod, nor do I personally know any mod or owner of this website. Having said that, many of us who were regular viewers and/or players of the original “Aerodromes” thread in the early to mid-2000’s had become disillusioned when the tone of the thread changed. Those changes fell into two areas, one of which the mods are trying to address with the new time limits.
Sometime in 2017 the laid back, patient, friendly environment came under assault from some people (very few people, but that’s all it takes to spoil any sport…). Those new players didn’t seem to understand or care about the long established and very successful rules (written and unwritten) that had resulted in a large number of regulars, along with drop-ins from all areas of the globe, posting photos, making guesses, giving clues, etc. as a leisure activity, to be enjoyed over a period of days – or even weeks sometimes.
Because those new folks happened to be from the UK, the thread was hurried along during UK waking hours, which is fine, but when the rest of the world was asleep those (few) wide-awake, aerodrome thread addicted folks in Jolly Olde put more and more pressure on to speed things up. Some of us (those non-UK or Western Europe people) posted a few comments or suggestions to slow down – and exchanged PMs of course about the new tone of the thread. But it seems a (very) few people were truly obsessed with sitting at their screens somewhat akin to a Labrador Retriever prancing and pawing until someone throws the ball again. That compulsivity is the first factor that slowly but surely drove so many regulars away.
I am trying very hard to “play the ball not the man” as the mods rightly insist but I will add a statistic to make my point: One of the people who was (overly) active set a record on the aerodromes thread for the most posts on any forum on pprune -- in a week, in a month and in a year! – all on a forum intended to be a leisure activity.
So, here is why (I think) the mods took action: (This is a quote from a PM I sent to a fellow ppruner back in mid-2019) “It's morning in the UK, the middle of the night in western North America, and bed time here in Asia; we've lost out on another day of enjoying and participating in what used to be the best thread on PPRUNE. Thanks to the passive / aggressive behaviour of one of the regulars, it's become a less than pleasant place, where it's either "hurry, hurry, post something, post something!" -- just because that person is in need of something to do at that very moment and doesn't understand, or perhaps doesn't care, about the nature of a global forum -- or it's a dead quiet place for 12 hours because it's night time for the forum addict.”
If everyone understood the reasons for the rules we all tacitly agreed to – and abided by those simple rules – this could still be one of the best little gems on the internet.
The second reason that contributed to previous regulars abandoning the forum was the antagonistic tone that has grown over the past several years. It seems some people don’t understand when a word or phrase is an ethnic or racial slur. Perhaps they live an insular life and honestly don’t realise that words that were acceptable when they were schoolboys or young men are offensive, hurtful and, of course, unnecessary.
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Following grizzled ‘s thoughtful summary, (nearly) all posts from the three quiz threads which have commented upon the 24 hour rule have been moved here. Mainly because they detract from the threads and have become fairly pointless as the rule isn’t about to change anytime soon and has been well explained despite some imaginative interpretations!
Any further attempts to disrupt the quiz threads by querying the moderation will achieve nothing; apart from signing T&Cs agreeing not to do so, it is spoiling our Forum. As a courtesy to you all I’ll leave this thread open, but too much complaining will see it consigned to closure.
Any further attempts to disrupt the quiz threads by querying the moderation will achieve nothing; apart from signing T&Cs agreeing not to do so, it is spoiling our Forum. As a courtesy to you all I’ll leave this thread open, but too much complaining will see it consigned to closure.
As an occasional contestant, I enjoy taking part in the competition. But, all this controversy over the “rules” has really turned me off. Why can’t we just have a simple game without the need for all this bureaucracy ? - along the lines of: someone sets a challenge, others try to guess where it is; someone gets it right ; they then set another challenge or declare open house. End of story. I do admit that I am sometimes disappointed that the contest is dominated by certain individuals, but that’s life, I am afraid. I shall not be participating again until all of these rules are removed. This is a simple game, no one’s life or wellbeing depends upon it. Get a life !
As an occasional contestant, I enjoy taking part in the competition. But, all this controversy over the “rules” has really turned me off. Why can’t we just have a simple game without the need for all this bureaucracy ? - along the lines of: someone sets a challenge, others try to guess where it is; someone gets it right ; they then set another challenge or declare open house. End of story.