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Not might be, dook, but is - the Lemaire ARL.11 Baby-Squale. Over to you, sir.
And no blame attaches to your partner, longer ron. Google 'lateron' and all you get are results for 'later on'!
And no blame attaches to your partner, longer ron. Google 'lateron' and all you get are results for 'later on'!
Don't expect this one to last long - this opened up a long distance (for the time) air route that is still in use. The pilot is probably better known for doing something else in an earlier job a long way from here
Well that wins the prize for close cropping. It's supposed to be 'guess the flying machine', not guess the wheel size. Could we at least agree to use full aircraft photos? It would also widen the readership a bit.
However maybe there is mileage in a parallel thread ("Identify the Aeroplane from the Part"?) for this type of photo?
However maybe there is mileage in a parallel thread ("Identify the Aeroplane from the Part"?) for this type of photo?
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Well, I think there's enough of the image to identify it, as I think I have done above.
However, I do tend to agree with you. If I post on here it's always a full aeroplane image.
Take a look at the challenge on AviaQuiz. All the challenges there tend to be parts of aeroplanes. I have identified that one also.
However, I do tend to agree with you. If I post on here it's always a full aeroplane image.
Take a look at the challenge on AviaQuiz. All the challenges there tend to be parts of aeroplanes. I have identified that one also.
Well that wins the prize for close cropping. It's supposed to be 'guess the flying machine', not guess the wheel size. Could we at least agree to use full aircraft photos? It would also widen the readership a bit.
However maybe there is mileage in a parallel thread ("Identify the Aeroplane from the Part"?) for this type of photo?
However maybe there is mileage in a parallel thread ("Identify the Aeroplane from the Part"?) for this type of photo?
Correct - but I'd be interested to know if you can add the place and the pilot.
He was later also famous as he was a serving officer in his own armed forces who fought for another country under the disguise and false name of an officer from a third country.
And none of these are his major claim to fame............
He was later also famous as he was a serving officer in his own armed forces who fought for another country under the disguise and false name of an officer from a third country.
And none of these are his major claim to fame............
Spices it up a bit and keeps the mods away! 
He was later thought to be traitor to his own country by some.............
He was later thought to be traitor to his own country by some.............
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It is a photograph of Tryggve Gran with his plane "North Sea" and curious onlookers before taking off from Cruden Bay, Scotland. The aircraft, Blériot XI, had a Gnome rotaty engine of 80 hp.
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I can see both sides of this argument, but with so many images now being on the web, and assuming that 'google image' can still be used to identify these, cropping such images may be the only way to ensure that identification is the result of personal research rather than the use of a digital tool. Many moons ago, in a similar (now defunct) quiz on another forum, there was an individual (no names, no pack drill) who seemingly identified almost every image that was posted by means of 'google image'. To catch him out, I posted an image that I knew to be online but incorrectly captioned. He identified it exactly as per the caption - i.e. incorrectly! When this fact was pointed out to him, accompanied by evidence of the true identity of the subject of the image, and he was asked if he'd used 'google image', he was not best pleased. But who is, when they've been had by the short and curlies!
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I can see both sides of this argument, but with so many images now being on the web, and assuming that 'google image' can still be used to identify these, cropping such images may be the only way to ensure that identification is the result of personal research rather than the use of a digital tool. Many moons ago, in a similar (now defunct) quiz on another forum, there was an individual (no names, no pack drill) who seemingly identified almost every image that was posted by means of 'google image'. To catch him out, I posted an image that I knew to be online but incorrectly captioned. He identified it exactly as per the caption - i.e. incorrectly! When this fact was pointed out to him, accompanied by evidence of the true identity of the subject of the image, and he was asked if he'd used 'google image', he was not best pleased. But who is, when they've been had by the short and curlies!
Yes - Gran on the first flight across the N Sea
Quite a character....Jens Tryggve Herman Gran DSC, MC (20 January 1888 – 8 January 1980) was a Norwegian aviator, explorer and author.[2] He was the skiing expert on the 1910–13 Scott Antarctic Expedition and was the first person to fly across the North Sea in a heavier-than-air aircraft.
Gran was born in Bergen, He met the German emperor, Wilhelm II, a common guest with the families of Tryggve's friends. Meeting the emperor made an impact on the then 14-year-old boy, who from that moment on wanted to become a naval officer. He entered naval college in 1907 and graduated in the spring of 1910.[3]
Tryggve Gran in Antarctica (1911)Gran took an interest in science and exploration which in 1910 led to Fridtjof Nansen recommending his services to Robert Falcon Scott, who was in Norway at the time preparing for an expedition to the Antarctic and testing the motor tractor he intended to take with him. Scott was impressed with Gran, who was an expert skier, and Nansen convinced Scott to take Gran as ski instructor to Scott's men for the Terra Nova Expedition.
Arriving in Antarctica in early January 1911, Gran was one of the 13 expedition members involved in the laying of the supply depots needed for the attempt to reach the South Pole later that year. From November 1911 to February 1912, while Scott and the rest of the Southern party were on their journey to the Pole, Gran accompanied the geological expedition to the western mountains led by Griffith Taylor.
In November 1912, Gran was part of the 11-man search party that found the tent containing the dead bodies of the past South Pole party. After collecting the party's personal belongings the tent was lowered over the bodies of Scott and his two companions and a 12-foot snow cairn was built over it. A pair of skis were used to form a cross over their grave. Gran travelled back to the base at Cape Evans wearing Scott's skis, reasoning that at least Scott's skis would complete the journey. Before leaving Antarctica he made an ascent of Mount Erebus with Raymond Priestley and Frederick Hooper in December 1912, an occasion which nearly ended in disaster when an unexpected eruption caused a shower of huge pumice blocks to fall around him. On 24 July 1913 Gran was awarded the Polar Medal by King George V.[4]
Blériot XI-2, the type flown by GranOn his return voyage, Gran met aviator Robert Loraine, the first pilot to cross the Irish sea, and immediately took an interest in aviation. Gran became a skilled pilot at Louis Blériot's aviation school in Paris, and on 30 July 1914, Gran became the first pilot to cross the North Sea. Taking off in his Blériot XI-2 monoplane, Ca Flotte, from Cruden Bay, Scotland, Gran landed 4 hours 10 minutes later at Jćren, near Stavanger, Norway, after a flight of 320 miles (510 km).The restored, but complete and original plane is on display at the Norwegian Technical Museum in Oslo, Norway.
Only five days later, the United Kingdom entered the First World War. Gran, now a first lieutenant in the Norwegian Army Air Service, volunteered for service with the Royal Flying Corps. He was rejected because of Norway's neutrality. However, the rejection did not stop Gran. Under the identity of "Captain Teddy Grant" of Canada, he was admitted to the RFC, serving in 1916 with No. 39 Squadron on Home Defence. Gran was commissioned into the Royal Flying Corps under his own name as a probationary temporary second lieutenant on 1 January 1917,[6] confirmed in the rank and appointed a flying officer on 1 March 1917,[7] and was posted to No. 70 Squadron, flying the Sopwith Camel on the Western Front. He was appointed a flight commander on 1 January 1918 with the rank of acting-captain, and in March his seniority as second lieutenant was backdated to 1 January 1917.[9]
Soon after he was awarded the Military Cross His citation reading:
T./Capt. Tryggve Gran, Gen. List and R.F.C. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. He bombed enemy aerodromes with great success, and engaged enemy searchlights, transport and other targets with machine-gun fire. He invariably showed the greatest determination and resource.
He was promoted to acting-major on 10 September 1918. and commanded various Royal Air Force units in Arkhangelsk and North Russia during the Allied intervention in 1919. Gran was temporarily transferred to unemployed list on 26 April 1919, but on 1 August was granted a permanent commission in the RAF with the rank of captain, however, this was then cancelled on 2 December 1919. Gran finally relinquished his commission on 6 August 1921.
Gran himself claimed to have shot down German ace Hermann Göring in a dogfight on 8 or 9 September 1917. He discovered this when he became acquainted with Göring after the war, and compared his flight logs with Göring's. It could however not be verified that it was Gran who shot down Göring's plane.
After the war, Gran started holding lectures on aviation and his journeys to the polar areas, as well as writing books. In 1919 he was the first man to fly from London to Stockholm. In 1928, he led a search party to find polar explorer Roald Amundsen, lost flying while trying to discover the fate of Umberto Nobile's North Pole expedition on board the Airship Italia.
During the Second World War, Gran was reportedly a member of Nasjonal Samling (NS), Vidkun Quisling's collaborationist party. The NS used Gran's hero-like status in their war propaganda, and in 1944, a commemorative stamp was issued to mark the 30th anniversary of Gran's flight across the North Sea. It has been speculated Gran feared reprisals from the pro-German fascist party because of his commitment to the Royal Air Force in the First World War. Others have speculated that his friendship with Göring and bitterness over not being offered a full-time job in the Norwegian Army Air Service may have been reasons for Gran to support the NS during the Nazi occupation of Norway.
After a trial in 1948, Gran was found guilty of treason and sentenced to a prison term of 18 months. The remainder of his life was devoted principally to writing books. Gran was also a gifted football player, earning one cap for Norway in 1908. This was Norway's first ever international match, and was played against Sweden in Gothenburg. Sweden beat Norway 11-3.Tryggve Gran died in his home in Grimstad, Norway on 8 January 1980 aged 91. A memorial was unveiled in Cruden Bay during 1971.
Légion d'honneur, France
Italian Crown
Quite a character....Jens Tryggve Herman Gran DSC, MC (20 January 1888 – 8 January 1980) was a Norwegian aviator, explorer and author.[2] He was the skiing expert on the 1910–13 Scott Antarctic Expedition and was the first person to fly across the North Sea in a heavier-than-air aircraft.
Gran was born in Bergen, He met the German emperor, Wilhelm II, a common guest with the families of Tryggve's friends. Meeting the emperor made an impact on the then 14-year-old boy, who from that moment on wanted to become a naval officer. He entered naval college in 1907 and graduated in the spring of 1910.[3]
Career
Tryggve Gran in Antarctica (1911)Gran took an interest in science and exploration which in 1910 led to Fridtjof Nansen recommending his services to Robert Falcon Scott, who was in Norway at the time preparing for an expedition to the Antarctic and testing the motor tractor he intended to take with him. Scott was impressed with Gran, who was an expert skier, and Nansen convinced Scott to take Gran as ski instructor to Scott's men for the Terra Nova Expedition.
Arriving in Antarctica in early January 1911, Gran was one of the 13 expedition members involved in the laying of the supply depots needed for the attempt to reach the South Pole later that year. From November 1911 to February 1912, while Scott and the rest of the Southern party were on their journey to the Pole, Gran accompanied the geological expedition to the western mountains led by Griffith Taylor.
In November 1912, Gran was part of the 11-man search party that found the tent containing the dead bodies of the past South Pole party. After collecting the party's personal belongings the tent was lowered over the bodies of Scott and his two companions and a 12-foot snow cairn was built over it. A pair of skis were used to form a cross over their grave. Gran travelled back to the base at Cape Evans wearing Scott's skis, reasoning that at least Scott's skis would complete the journey. Before leaving Antarctica he made an ascent of Mount Erebus with Raymond Priestley and Frederick Hooper in December 1912, an occasion which nearly ended in disaster when an unexpected eruption caused a shower of huge pumice blocks to fall around him. On 24 July 1913 Gran was awarded the Polar Medal by King George V.[4]
Blériot XI-2, the type flown by GranOn his return voyage, Gran met aviator Robert Loraine, the first pilot to cross the Irish sea, and immediately took an interest in aviation. Gran became a skilled pilot at Louis Blériot's aviation school in Paris, and on 30 July 1914, Gran became the first pilot to cross the North Sea. Taking off in his Blériot XI-2 monoplane, Ca Flotte, from Cruden Bay, Scotland, Gran landed 4 hours 10 minutes later at Jćren, near Stavanger, Norway, after a flight of 320 miles (510 km).The restored, but complete and original plane is on display at the Norwegian Technical Museum in Oslo, Norway.
Only five days later, the United Kingdom entered the First World War. Gran, now a first lieutenant in the Norwegian Army Air Service, volunteered for service with the Royal Flying Corps. He was rejected because of Norway's neutrality. However, the rejection did not stop Gran. Under the identity of "Captain Teddy Grant" of Canada, he was admitted to the RFC, serving in 1916 with No. 39 Squadron on Home Defence. Gran was commissioned into the Royal Flying Corps under his own name as a probationary temporary second lieutenant on 1 January 1917,[6] confirmed in the rank and appointed a flying officer on 1 March 1917,[7] and was posted to No. 70 Squadron, flying the Sopwith Camel on the Western Front. He was appointed a flight commander on 1 January 1918 with the rank of acting-captain, and in March his seniority as second lieutenant was backdated to 1 January 1917.[9]
Soon after he was awarded the Military Cross His citation reading:
T./Capt. Tryggve Gran, Gen. List and R.F.C. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. He bombed enemy aerodromes with great success, and engaged enemy searchlights, transport and other targets with machine-gun fire. He invariably showed the greatest determination and resource.
He was promoted to acting-major on 10 September 1918. and commanded various Royal Air Force units in Arkhangelsk and North Russia during the Allied intervention in 1919. Gran was temporarily transferred to unemployed list on 26 April 1919, but on 1 August was granted a permanent commission in the RAF with the rank of captain, however, this was then cancelled on 2 December 1919. Gran finally relinquished his commission on 6 August 1921.
Gran himself claimed to have shot down German ace Hermann Göring in a dogfight on 8 or 9 September 1917. He discovered this when he became acquainted with Göring after the war, and compared his flight logs with Göring's. It could however not be verified that it was Gran who shot down Göring's plane.
After the war, Gran started holding lectures on aviation and his journeys to the polar areas, as well as writing books. In 1919 he was the first man to fly from London to Stockholm. In 1928, he led a search party to find polar explorer Roald Amundsen, lost flying while trying to discover the fate of Umberto Nobile's North Pole expedition on board the Airship Italia.
During the Second World War, Gran was reportedly a member of Nasjonal Samling (NS), Vidkun Quisling's collaborationist party. The NS used Gran's hero-like status in their war propaganda, and in 1944, a commemorative stamp was issued to mark the 30th anniversary of Gran's flight across the North Sea. It has been speculated Gran feared reprisals from the pro-German fascist party because of his commitment to the Royal Air Force in the First World War. Others have speculated that his friendship with Göring and bitterness over not being offered a full-time job in the Norwegian Army Air Service may have been reasons for Gran to support the NS during the Nazi occupation of Norway.
After a trial in 1948, Gran was found guilty of treason and sentenced to a prison term of 18 months. The remainder of his life was devoted principally to writing books. Gran was also a gifted football player, earning one cap for Norway in 1908. This was Norway's first ever international match, and was played against Sweden in Gothenburg. Sweden beat Norway 11-3.Tryggve Gran died in his home in Grimstad, Norway on 8 January 1980 aged 91. A memorial was unveiled in Cruden Bay during 1971.
Honours
- Order of St. Olav (Norwegian, 1915 – returned in 1925)
- Distinguished Service Cross (British, First World War)
- Military Cross (British, First World War)
Légion d'honneur, France
Italian Crown
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Out of curiousity, I looked to see if the individual mentioned in my last post is still a member of this forum. He is, but he hasn't posted here for over five years. Maybe he became bored with using 'google image'?