Name that Flying Machine

[meleagertoo]

Originally Posted by treadigraph

Who was that and what was the design?

Armstrong Whitworth 167.
All but a carbon-copy!
Powered by - guess what - five Sapphires! What was the attraction with 5 engines for this configuration I wonder?

[treadigraph]

Thanks, that is similar... also both designs scream "Caravelle" though I think that was designed about the same time though possibly slightly earlier?

[meleagertoo]

Caravelle was concieved c.1952 and flew in 1955.
The AW167 was reportedly a project from 1955 but there is precious little to be found about it.
The first thing I thought looking at the Condor was Caravelle influence and that project allegedly started in 1951 but at what stage it began to look so like a Caravelle is anyone's guess. Of course they all must have been heavily influenced by the Comet which was the Daddy of them all; we know the Caravelle was part Comet anyway.

[Allan Lupton]

Originally Posted by meleagertoo

Of course they all must have been heavily influenced by the Comet which was the Daddy of them all; we know the Caravelle was part Comet anyway.

There was an early DH106 project which was a canard and which had three engines buried in the rear fuselage. We were able to quote that layout when Sud Aviation wanted us to pay royalties for the rear-engined layout of the Trident.

[meleagertoo]

Oh, it's dutch colonial alright, and a very interesting design, though about as obscure as any challenge we've had here.
Shame it didn't survive the war, it might have made a name for itself.

[Self loading bear]

Very accurate suggestion of Allan!
I should have started with this beautiful tailwheel:

[Self loading bear]

Last clue

[Allan Lupton]

Well, since PK was Dutch East Indies one can conclude it was one of Laurens Walraven's designs and I'll say it was Walraven 2 - found on the internet so unreliable. but it's all I can offer.

[Self loading bear]

Originally Posted by Allan Lupton

Well, since PK was Dutch East Indies one can conclude it was one of Laurens Walraven's designs and I'll say it was Walraven 2 - found on the internet so unreliable. but it's all I can offer.

It definitely is Allan!
over to you.

[Allan Lupton]

Thanks SLB! I can't offer such an elegant aeroplane and I expect this is well-known but here it is anyway:

[oxenos]

Beardmore Inflexible.. OH if corect.

[Allan Lupton]

I think I cannot reply until it's been posted for 24 hours, so 19:24 this evening

[Allan Lupton]

Originally Posted by oxenos

Beardmore Inflexible.. OH if corect.

It is correct of course. I had hoped that since the Beardmore Inflexible, like Walraven 2, does not appear in my Big Book of Aeroplanes it might take longer.
Here's a more straightforward view:


Oxenos has declared Open House

[oxenos]

I have already called OH in this.

[Allan Lupton]

Well my previous offering having been quickly solved I'll try another one. How about the forward view from this?

[treadigraph]

Pretty certain that is the DH-71, the original Tiger Moth one-off 1920s racer.

Wasn't there a reproduction underway?

[condor17]

Allan L , all the T1s, 1Es , 2s and 3s I walked around for 12 yrs had small plate on each engine 1 and 3 stub . '' Licenced built from Sud-Aviation '' .

rgds condor

[Allan Lupton]

Originally Posted by treadigraph

Pretty certain that is the DH-71, the original Tiger Moth one-off 1920s racer.

Wasn't there a reproduction underway?

Yes you're right so over to you.
I think two were built, but neither survives. With that cockpit I can't see the attraction of a reproduction, but what do I know?

[Allan Lupton]

Originally Posted by condor17

Allan L , all the T1s, 1Es , 2s and 3s I walked around for 12 yrs had small plate on each engine 1 and 3 stub . '' Licenced built from Sud-Aviation '' .

rgds condor

And I thought we'd won that one. Shows the fallibility of memory, particularly in matters one was on the fringe of.

[treadigraph]

Ah, yes, 2 DH-71s built, one went to Australia where it eventually crashed, the other was destroyed by bombing during the war. It seems there are two reproductions; one in the US has flown, while Mike Souch had one under way in conjunction with Nick Parkhouse, now with another owner. Looked to have been pretty complete a decade or two back.

Here's the next challenge, though I expect it won't last long...