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Old 24th Oct 2019, 10:45
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Originally Posted by LOMCEVAK
The Red Arrows incident was a Hawk heading northerly up the Great Glen. It was a wire strike at the southern end of Loch Ness and I think the aircraft may have diverted into Inverness. The pilot was a friend and later a squadron colleague of mine.
They did indeed divert to Inverness. The technician in the back seat suffered serious injuries after his ejection and (IIRC) was invalided out, receiving no compensation as he had not been commanded to eject.

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Old 24th Oct 2019, 15:57
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Some might recall the incident when a Navigator ( who had already lost an eye in a previous Canberra incident) found himslelf skidding alone and inverted down the main runway at Bedford in a Hawk ,following a pilot ejection. IIRC his bone dome was ground down to the top of his skull in the process. Amazingly he carried on flying regardless and I last saw him at Wyton on Canberras in the late 80's .
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 18:00
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Originally Posted by possel
They did indeed divert to Inverness. The technician in the back seat suffered serious injuries after his ejection and (IIRC) was invalided out, receiving no compensation as he had not been commanded to eject.
When you've hit a wire at 40' AGL, I'd have thought that banging out was a fairly prudent course of action.

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Old 25th Oct 2019, 03:42
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Originally Posted by Haraka
Some might recall the incident when a Navigator ( who had already lost an eye in a previous Canberra incident) found himslelf skidding alone and inverted down the main runway at Bedford in a Hawk ,following a pilot ejection. IIRC his bone dome was ground down to the top of his skull in the process. Amazingly he carried on flying regardless and I last saw him at Wyton on Canberras in the late 80's .
Never heard of that one; they never had a Hawk on the fleet at Bedford so it must have been a visitor.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 06:38
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Originally Posted by chevvron
Never heard of that one; they never had a Hawk on the fleet at Bedford so it must have been a visitor.
The Hawk was acting as a camera/chase aircraft for the A&AEE's Britannia, which was circuit-bashing at Thurleigh as part of wake turbulence trials. The Hawk lost control in the Brit's wake, just over the threshold, and flipped inverted.

Ironically, the pilot, who did eject (sideways), received severe injuries whereas the nav escaped with a few cuts and bruises.

Wake turbulence caused Hawk crash
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 07:07
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Originally Posted by chevvron
Never heard of that one; they never had a Hawk on the fleet at Bedford so it must have been a visitor.
It did indeed happen as DRUK describes.

As a result post crash images of the Hawk crop up quite frequently in presentations/lectures on the dangers of wake vortex encounters.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 16:53
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Originally Posted by old,not bold
My mother, married to a Lancaster pilot, told anyone who cared to listen that she was told by him that a battle-damaged US 4-engine bomber flew by itself all the way across England during WWII, to crash from fuel starvation either in Wales or the in the Irish sea, after its crew had decided to abandon ship over Norfolk.

I never found out if it was true. But I bet someone can tell us.
Possibly this B24 that crashed in Herefordshire? Bomber Crash at St Margaret?s Common, Christmas Day 1944, St Margarets, 1944, Ewyas Lacy Study Group
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 18:29
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When the Hawk happened, I was doing a BoI at Wyton on the Canberra which had been wheels up at Bedford! I can still recall the navs name in that Hawk - he had a camera on his lap!
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 19:13
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Originally Posted by Rory57
Though according to that account, and Joe Baugher's, the crew actually baled out over the French/Belgian border before the aircraft flew itself over the Channel and finally came down in Herefs.

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Old 28th Oct 2019, 14:52
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I always liked this F-14 story and picture.

Eject on a familiarization hop | Tales | F-14 Tomcat

Lesson being don't hang on to the black and yellow handle to adjust yourself in the seat.





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Old 29th Oct 2019, 00:08
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In 1979 a Hunter had an engine failure, the pilot pointed the aircraft out to sea only to see it turn and fly inland eventually skidding along a street in Tintagel.

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Old 29th Oct 2019, 06:37
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... and neatly parked itself between two houses!

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Old 29th Oct 2019, 08:09
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Long and fascinating account by the pilot.
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 16:51
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Originally Posted by mcdhu
Didn't an Arrows (Gnat) back seater eject after a wirestrike during a practice in Scotland some time ago?

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It definitely happened to a Gnat as twenty five plus years ago I briefly worked with the chap who rode the seat;- he was ground crew and somewhat embarrassed by the circumstances. I can’t remember if it was a Reds related event or not.
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 17:14
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Originally Posted by Bagheera S

It definitely happened to a Gnat as twenty five plus years ago I briefly worked with the chap who rode the seat;- he was ground crew and somewhat embarrassed by the circumstances. I can’t remember if it was a Reds related event or not.
I can't say it never happened to a Gnat, but they were retired by 1979 (which is a lot more than 25 years) and the Reds event along Loch Ness was definitely a Hawk, as above.
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Originally Posted by possel
I can't say it never happened to a Gnat, but they were retired by 1979 (which is a lot more than 25 years) and the Reds event along Loch Ness was definitely a Hawk, as above.
Red Arrows, 1976, Gnat XR987, pilot Dudley Carvell (Red4), Sergeant Terry Whelan ejected during an air test following an aileron rerig, when he was unable to talk to the pilot due to intercom failure, and believed Dudley had lost control while on approach(?). Terry made a successful touchdown under the silk, while Dudley made a successful landing on the Dunlop’s. Not sure of the precise date or location.

I worked along side Terry in about 1993-4.

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Two other incidents from years ago, apologies if my memories aren’t spot on!

Whilst going through the Lightning OCU at Colt, a Canberra landed with a big hole behind the cockpit, ejection seat gun tube sticking out of said hole. The story was it was a student crew carrying out slow speed/stalling practice. During this they entered cloud, nav not too happy so departed.

A TWU Hawk (Brawdy I think) was doing some sort of affil off the east coast with I believe a fighter controller in the back (W**** P******?). Without warning, rear seater departed, after some persuasion, he did admit he might have been fiddling with the seat handle.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 14:14
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Firestreak, if that was a T4, 1966-67 ish that would have been the 360 aircraft from Watton when the observer(RN) ejected when a practice EFATO (again) went TU. Sadly the observer, Lt Norman Lake RN, was killed. Different aircraft on the fleet had different hatch fits (frangible or solid) and different hatch switchery. Norman ejected through a solid hatch and was killed. Many years later I was OC Admin at Wyton when similarly a practice EFATO went wrong and the station commander and the instructor and navigator were killed.. The similarity of the two accidents was chilling.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 04:07
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Wander00, can’t be the same incident, the one I referred to would be late 68, early 69. Coincidentally, the pilot of that incident and the CO of Wyton were QFIs at Linton at the same time.

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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 07:01
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F4 in the States, 1960s, span in from high altitude zoom climb. Pilots couldn't recover and banged out. It pancaked on the desert floor.

USMC F4 with PD radar also landed intact on beach in North Vietnam. By the time a strike came to destroy it there was no trace and the Russians had a PD radar.
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