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Out of the Clouds v. Airline

Old 3rd Mar 2019, 11:23
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Out of the Clouds v. Airline

Caught the old movie Out of the Clouds on Talking Pictures TV yesterday - a glimpse into the ways of airline travel from London Airport in the early '50s with polite staff, hostesses who spoke the Queen's English et al. Of course the real stars were the BOAC Constellation and Stratocruiser and the BEA Viscount....

But during the ad breaks, I switched over to Airline on another channel. The true awfulness of LoCo airline travel with rude orange women yelling at passengers in harsh Scouse accents, over-booked flights etc. etc was only too evident.

What an interesting contrast - but how have we let airline travel deteriorate to its present level? Holiday charter flights (with BCal and their lovely ladies!) back in the 1970s were more upmarket than current LoCo scheduled flights....
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 12:51
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Ah BEagle, I love Talking Pictures TV, wet afternoon, switch it on always something on there of interest. I guess the real reason is costs associated with flying. London to Perth return, according to recent Telegraph article, in the 50s was the equivalent of £18k! Today it's £700. Decades ago it was an event and people dressed up for it. My grandparents even dressed up to travel to Spain on Court Line, these days it's like catching a bus.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 12:57
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The good thing about nowadays compared to the 60s/70s is that many more people can afford to fly.

The downside is that many more people can afford to fly ...

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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 14:49
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I don't think airlines are any different from any other historical corporate reference points

In the 50's and 60's (and before and a bit after) airlines were run by "airline" people; I acknowledge, not always well. Now however they are exclusively run by bean counters and other folks who actually believed what McKinsey & Co told them

For me the last great UK "airline" exec was Sir Colin Marshall.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 15:02
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Not all LoCo airlines have poor customer service doncha know.

At least one of them is on a par with the likes of John Lewis.
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The standard of ‘customer service’ reflects the attitudes of the ‘customers’ ☹️
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As my mother used to say "You get what you pay for dear"
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:48
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Caught the last 5 minutes accidentally while 'channel hopping'. Warm glow of nostalgia for Connie, Globemaster and Viscount plus Triumph 2000, Ford Pilot, Humber Hawk etc. Slight oddity with rank/titles e.g. 'Captain' with 3 rings ?? Transatlantic Connies being hand flown in the cruise ... none of your sissy autopilots in those days!
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 16:15
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Out of the Clouds is on again this week if you missed it.

Awesome film and not too much different from my first days at LHR with BMA in the 70's - Just at the end of the glamour days and a ''can do'' attitude.
I was Duty Officer with a great team of traffic guys, engineers and pax girls.
Same formal uniforms, lots of gold trim, respect and good manners.

Passengers meant everything, and we did everything to ensure they got home or on holiday without fuss.

Today's air travel experience with few exceptions is horrific (except when BA or VS get it right, then it is still quite good)
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 21:08
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Just watched this fascinating film made in 1955. Some of the it hasn't aged well so parts are washed out or in black and white. Not good for a colour film. Plot nothing special - best part James Robertson Justice refusing to pilot his stratocruiser as the engine doesn't sound right. When he is told the instruments and mechanic say the engine is okay he replies
"Young man, let me tell you something. In the air, I am responsible for this aircraft and the lives of all on board her, and neither you nor anyone else - *including* the chairman of the corporation - is going to induce me to take her one inch off the ground until I am absolutely satisfied that she is in perfect order. Do I make myself clear? "

I wonder if that could happen nowadays?
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 21:43
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Originally Posted by Brewster Buffalo View Post
Just watched this fascinating film made in 1955. Some of the it hasn't aged well so parts are washed out or in black and white. Not good for a colour film. Plot nothing special - best part James Robertson Justice refusing to pilot his stratocruiser as the engine doesn't sound right. When he is told the instruments and mechanic say the engine is okay he replies
"Young man, let me tell you something. In the air, I am responsible for this aircraft and the lives of all on board her, and neither you nor anyone else - *including* the chairman of the corporation - is going to induce me to take her one inch off the ground until I am absolutely satisfied that she is in perfect order. Do I make myself clear? "

I wonder if that could happen nowadays?
Probably only once in a career.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 09:59
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James Robertson Justice was so like the BOAC Captains I flew with when I first joined.

i actually thought for a moment that I had actually flown with him!

Marvelous stuff.
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The late Ken Fitzroy travelled up to Inverness on the overnight train when he was posted to Lossiemouth. A fellow passenger was James Robertson Justice who proved to be a most eloquent and entertaining travelling companion in the bar.
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The late Ken Fitzroy travelled up to Inverness on the overnight train when he was posted to Lossiemouth. A fellow passenger was James Robertson Justice who proved to be a most eloquent and entertaining travelling companion in the bar.
My dear old Dad used to work for a removal firm and they had to move JRJ somewhere up North- he travelled with them in the van. They stopped for a break somewhere, Dad and his mates took out their sandwiches and thermos flasks. JRJ took out a tinned Fray Bentos pie, undid it by using that key thingy on the lid or maybe a tin opener on the side and proceeded to eat it cold straight out of the tin by hand. He signed a film script and gave it to my Dad, my sister has it - I think it was one of those Doctor films.
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