When did airway colour naming end?
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When did airway colour naming end?
When did Amber become Alpha and Red Romeo?
ISTR mid eighties, but others are saying mid nineties.
ISTR mid eighties, but others are saying mid nineties.
Some interesting history on Green One here. The Green One
It would seem that even by the mid-1950s, airways had started to be identified on charts just by the first letter of their colour (so "G1" rather than "Green One"), and presumably in the same way on flightplans, etc, though I certainly recall airways clearance readbacks, for example, quoting "White Nine, Amber One", etc in the 60s.
So the change from "Green" to "Golf", when it came, wouldn't have resulted in any change to airways charts, though of course it would have been apparent on R/T.
It would seem that even by the mid-1950s, airways had started to be identified on charts just by the first letter of their colour (so "G1" rather than "Green One"), and presumably in the same way on flightplans, etc, though I certainly recall airways clearance readbacks, for example, quoting "White Nine, Amber One", etc in the 60s.
So the change from "Green" to "Golf", when it came, wouldn't have resulted in any change to airways charts, though of course it would have been apparent on R/T.
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I was labouring under the misconception that it was was still Green 1, etc! 
What does ASR stand for? Chatham ASR, Lundy ASR, etc... I naturally think Air Sea Rescue, but somehow Barnsley seems a bit strange... Radar?
What does ASR stand for? Chatham ASR, Lundy ASR, etc... I naturally think Air Sea Rescue, but somehow Barnsley seems a bit strange... Radar?
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Interesting chart. I remember Green 2 as the Blue Way - ,Blue 1 from Otringham. Also Amber 25 I'd missing.
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Bunny Gunson, ex-Coastal Siggie then CAA ATCO at Brum', well known for his after dinner talks about ATC - very funny but with a lot of poetic licence as I think he only ever worked as an ATCO at Brum'. I've just seen you've deleted your post PN - to make sense of this post PN put ???? after Dook's reference to David Gunson.
Bunny Gunson, ex-Coastal Siggie then CAA ATCO at Brum', well known for his after dinner talks about ATC - very funny but with a lot of poetic licence as I think he only ever worked as an ATCO at Brum'. I've just seen you've deleted your post PN - to make sense of this post PN put ???? after Dook's reference to David Gunson.
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ATC after dinner speaker.
"what goes up might come down".
Very famous speech.
Part of it was how to give instructions to pilots.
This is not accurate but you'll get the idea:
"You go up the green one, then the red one and then the blue one".
I remember the last line:
"And does anyone know why the toilets in Concorde have frosted glass ?
"what goes up might come down".
Very famous speech.
Part of it was how to give instructions to pilots.
This is not accurate but you'll get the idea:
"You go up the green one, then the red one and then the blue one".
I remember the last line:
"And does anyone know why the toilets in Concorde have frosted glass ?
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It still is, outside TMAs.
Thanks to Dave Reid’s chart, I now understand why they chose such amusing locations for the names of the ASRs; e.g. “Chatham” and “Barnsley”. They seem to be near the geographic centre of the region.
Thanks to Dave Reid’s chart, I now understand why they chose such amusing locations for the names of the ASRs; e.g. “Chatham” and “Barnsley”. They seem to be near the geographic centre of the region.
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On descent to base we had no direct means of resetting to QFE, nor were we taught to calculate the difference between SPS and QFE and adjust the altimeter by the appropriate number of feet.
Not quite sure why but In those days, 1962, our navigation ceased at the entry point some 15 miles from base when we were picked up for an ACR7 approach. Our base had no nav aids except the pundit.
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I wouldn’t make a definitive statement that it was 3000 ft., but when I took up air band listening in the early ‘60s the lowest level allocated on Red 1 south of IBY was regularly FL40.
[QUOTE Not quite sure why but In those days, 1962, our navigation ceased at the entry point some 15 miles from base when we were picked up for an AR7 approach. Our base had no nav aids except the pundit.[/QUOTE]
PN Remind me (did you mean ACR7) was that azimuth only ?
I think one of the surviving ACR7s was at Topcliffe (until the mid to late 60’s).
PN Remind me (did you mean ACR7) was that azimuth only ?
I think one of the surviving ACR7s was at Topcliffe (until the mid to late 60’s).