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50 years ago: GE roars back into the airline industry

50 years ago: GE roars back into the airline industry

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This June marks the 50th anniversary of GE Aviation’s dramatic return to the airline industry by launching the original CF6 engine on the Douglas DC-10. This seminal milestone put GE on a course to become one of the world’s commercial jet engine dynasties.

1968 was a vastly different aviation world landscape. So, it’s hard to fully appreciate today the significance of the CF6 launch for GE. During that era, Pratt & Whitney dominated commercial jet engines, powering the Boeing 707, 727, 737, and 747 aircraft families, and Douglas DC-8 and DC-9 aircraft families.

GE was (and still is) a world-leading military and helicopter engine provider. The U.S. government in 1966 selected GE to power Boeing’s Supersonic Transport, but Congress cancelled the program before it ever got off the ground.

GE’s airline presence in 1968 amounted to 100 Convair 800 and 900 jetliners. In the late 1950s, GE developed a variant of the J79 military turbojet, called the CJ805, for the Convair 800. For the follow-up Convair 900, GE developed the CJ805-23 with an aft-mounted cruise fan. While Convair planes were the era’s fastest passenger jets, it was a bumpy ride. Plagued by poor aircraft sales and engine technical challenges, GE delivered its last CJ805 engines in 1962.

ounting the Return

GE’s comeback into commercial jetliners was five years in the making.

In 1963, after GE ran a J79 military engine with a large front fan, GE’s legendary leader Gerhard Neumann had met with U.S. Air Force (USAF) Major General Marvin Demler, head of USAF Research & Technology, and unrolled across his table a cross-section drawing of a high-bypass turbofan engine capable of twice the thrust of current engines. Neumann claimed the design would revolutionize air transportation.

That same year, the USAF launched an engine and airframe competition for the massive Lockheed C-5A Galaxy military transport, then the world’s largest airplane.

The engine decision in 1965 resulted in one of the most important jet engines for both GE and the jet propulsion industry when the USAF selected the GE TF39 turbofan engine. GE’s highly-sporty design had the largest front fan (97 inches in diameter) in jet propulsion at that time, and unprecedented compressor efficiencies and turbine temperatures required to turn it.

With a bold 8:1 bypass ratio achieved by the massive front-mounted fan, the TF39 was a major leap in jet engine design offering record thrust levels and fuel efficiency. GE declared the TF39 would operate 25 percent more efficiently than current commercial airline turbofan engines, a claim later supported during flight tests. The era of the high-bypass turbofan to efficiently power large aircraft long distances was born.The TF39 engine can be seen here on the right wing of a B-52 flying test bed.

The 41,000-pound-thrust TF39 was a culmination of GE’s best technologies and engines to date: J79 and J85 engine experience, the X353-5 lift fan and CJ805 aft fan innovations, air-cooled turbine blade technologies from the J93, and engine core breakthroughs from the GE1/6 demonstrator tests.

The GE TF39 win over P&W set the stage for a showdown between the two U.S. engine titans in the large commercial aircraft arena. GE announced a commercial variant of the TF39 to compete for future jetliners. GE’s return to the airline industry was now a matter of time.

But first, GE passed on the game-changing Boeing 747-100 in 1967. With demanding C-5 and SST engine commitments, Gerhard Neumann concluded that GE didn’t have the resources to develop another new jet engine in a timely manner. Boeing chose P&W’s JT9D, the first high-bypass turbofan engine to power a commercial jetliner.

By 1968, the U.S. was experiencing an air travel boom with passenger traffic expanding almost 20 percent a year. And the attractive 747 economics with its seating capacity for international routes fueled an industry appetite for larger jetliners with more than 200 seats for domestic routes.

Due to the C-5 Galaxy competition, aircraft manufacturers Douglas, Boeing, and Lockheed enhanced their design capacity for large jet planes and were up for the challenge. At the same time, high-thrust turbofan engines (inspired by the TF39) provided the power and fuel efficiency.

American Airlines proposed a medium-range aircraft to carry 250 passengers and 5,000 pounds of freight from Chicago to Los Angeles. Other leading airlines proposd a 250-passenger aircraft for domestic routes. They wanted the economics that a twin-engine airplane could bring, but no engine maker had been able to meet the thrust requirement.

With a CF6 commercial derivative of the TF39, GE heavily lobbied aircraft manufacturers to pursue long-range jetliners powered by three engines. GE influenced Douglas Aircraft to pursue the DC-10 while Lockheed pursued the L-1011 design. Both were three-engine airplanes.

“We went to American Airlines and United, the biggest North American carriers, and KLM in Europe and asked them to give us a chance on the DC-10,” the late Brian Rowe, CF6 manager at the time, wrote in his autobiography. “We had a good engine design and we promised to give them first-class product support.”

Lockheed launched its L-1011 with Rolls-Royce, whose engine development struggles led to bankruptcy. Meanwhile, P&W had its hands full with financial outlays in meeting the challenging Boeing 747 thrust requirements.

For GE to re-enter the airline industry, it was the DC-10 or bust. Adding to the drama, Douglas by 1967 faced financial woes and McDonnell Corporation took over the company, creating McDonnell Douglas. The merger ensured financial stability for the DC-10 and enhanced GE’s chances on the airplane because of a strong relationship from powering McDonnell’s F-4 Phantom.

In a landmark win for GE, United Airlines in June of 1968 launched the CF6-6 engine on the new 252-passenger McDonnell Douglas DC-10. American Airlines soon followed suit.

GE’s tough CJ805 experience remained on the minds of GE leaders. The team redesigned the CF6-6 compressor shaft to handle the high utilization of commercial jetliners. The front fan, similar in diameter to the TF39, was simplified with a lower bypass ratio. Through improved mechanical design, materials, and turbine-cooling technology (forever a GE hallmark), the CF6-6 operated at higher temperatures and brought a new level of efficiency to large turbofans while producing 40,000 pounds of thrust.

What followed was a flurry of new GE engines that changed the commercial engine playing field. In 1969, GE launched the CF6-50 on the new Airbus Industrie A300 and the DC-10-30. The CF6 program created a relationship between GE and the French engine maker Snecma (now Safran Aircraft Engines) that led to the creation of the 50/50 joint company CFM International in 1974 and the CFM56 engine family.

In 1975, GE launched the CF6-50 on the Boeing 747-200. In 1978, the CF6-80A was launched on the A310 and Boeing 767. In 1979, the CFM56-2 won a DC-8 re-engining program, and in 1981, Boeing selected the CFM56-3 for the Boeing 737 Classic series. A year later, Airbus selected the CFM56-5 for the A320.

You get the picture.

By 1988, 20 years after the CF6-6 launch, the growing CF6 and CFM56 engine families were firmly established as annual best sellers in their respective thrust classes across several jetliners models.

And the CF34 and GE90 engine families were just around the corner.
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You are quite right and GE do indeed produce excellent areo engines but is it not true that the UK government agreed to assist the USA in this field by giving them (I believe) technology from the Derwent engine ???

Don't forget that Rolls-Royce has had an even more spectacular growth since 1971 with the RB211 family. Prior to that, it only had the Spey and Conway in limited numbers and applications and did not compete with P&W or GE. More importantly it has achieved this as a relatively small business without benefit of the massive USA defence programmes.
NB. Yes I know about the company going into receivership and the takeover of Allison.
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GE did the same with USA diesel railway locomotives, starting from scratch in the early 1960s, knocking out the long-established No 2 in the market in about 10 years, and eventually overhauling General Motors, who had been the market leader since such machines first appeared in the 1930s.

The surprising thing about the Aero engine market is not how GE did so well, as much as how Pratts lost it.
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is it not true that the UK government agreed to assist the USA in this field by giving them (I believe) technology from the Derwent engine
GE's work on turbochargers made them the natural industrial partner to develop jet engines when Frank Whittle's W.1 engine was demonstrated to Hap Arnold in 1941. He requested, and was given, the plans for the aircraft's powerplant, the Power Jets W.1, which he took back to the U.S. He also arranged for an example of the engine, the Whittle W.1X turbojet, to be flown to the U.S in October 1941 in the bomb bay of a USAAC Consolidated B-24 Liberator, along with drawings for the more powerful W.2B/23 engine and a small team of Power Jets engineers. A production license was arranged in September, and the W.1 test engines shipped to the US for study were converted to US manufacture as the I-A. The first US jet to fly being the Bell P-59 Airacomet. GE quickly started production of improved versions; the I-16 was produced in limited numbers starting in 1942, and the much more powerful I-40 followed in 1944, which went on to power the first US combat-capable jet fighters, the P-80 Shooting Star.
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but is it not true that the UK government agreed to assist the USA in this field by giving them (I believe) technology from the Derwent engine ???
The Labour government, in what could be classed as a treasonable transaction, sold 25 Nene engines to Russia in 1947.
These were sold on the caveat that they were not to be used for military purposes.
P+W also acquired a licence to produce Nenes.
There is also the story of Russian delegates visiting the RR factory in soft soled shoes to pick up swarf form the manufacturing process,
so they could replicate the materials later.
A lesser known story was of a U.S. delegation (IIRC) that came across to learn about jet technology and went back promising
further co-operation with their UK counterparts. Nothing more was ever heard from them!
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Originally Posted by WHBM

The surprising thing about the Aero engine market is not how GE did so well, as much as how Pratts lost it.
You may also remember that in the mid 80's Rolls-Royce almost went the same way. It had just developed the -535 which became quite successful and had discussed a position with GE that RR would not compete with GE in the big Fan sector while that company would not compete with RR in the mid size sector. Fortunately, RR withdrew from that understanding and developed the highly successful Trent family.
You may recall that prompted the head of GE (who's name escapes me for the moment) to coin the phrase 'we don't get mad we get even.
Part of that led GE to acquire BA engine repair facilities at Nantgarw.
Clearly that decision has had a massive effect on RR business and was undoubtedly extremely brave at the time.
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Just came back to me Jack Welsh.
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A lesser known story was of a U.S. delegation (IIRC) that came across to learn about jet technology and went back promising further co-operation with their UK counterparts. Nothing more was ever heard from them!
If you are referring to the M.52 it didn't happen. A story told by Eric "Winkle" Brown that has no veracity.
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The surprising thing about the Aero engine market is not how GE did so well, as much as how Pratts lost it.
Pratt arrogance played a big part in their loss of market share - their customer support really suffered in the late 1970s and early 80's (coincidentally corresponding with when my propulsion career started). Pratt used the JT8D as a cash cow to finance the JT9D - shortly after I started work, one of the old timers showed me a plot of the cost of spares for the JT8D - there was a noticeable jump in the cost of JT8D spares every time they launched a derivative of the JT9D. It got so bad that I recall Pratt buying big ads in Av Week in the mid 1980s after they lost several big campaigns to GE for traditional Pratt operators. The ad was basically a mi culpa - accepting that Pratt had screwed up their customer service and vowing to do better. However for the most part, it was too little, too late - the damage was already done.
While the CF6 was certainly important to GE's future, it was the CFM56 that made GE the dominate force it became - it basically killed the JT8D, and it's massive numbers provided the funds for GE to develop the GE90 and GEnx. It got so bad for Pratt that they actually became a PMA supplier of CFM turbine blades.
Having spent considerable time working with Pratt, Rolls, and GE, GE can be a major pain to work with as a supplier - much more so than Rolls (it's been said both GE and Rolls will tell you to F-off, but Rolls somehow makes it sound polite ). But, when they have a serious problem, no one does a better 'all hands on deck' response to the problem than GE.
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Pratt arrogance played a big part in their loss of market share - their customer support really suffered in the late 1970s and early 80's (coincidentally corresponding with when my propulsion career started). Pratt used the JT8D as a cash cow to finance the JT9D - shortly after I started work, one of the old timers showed me a plot of the cost of spares for the JT8D - there was a noticeable jump in the cost of JT8D spares every time they launched a derivative of the JT9D. It got so bad that I recall Pratt buying big ads in Av Week in the mid 1980s after they lost several big campaigns to GE for traditional Pratt operators. The ad was basically a mi culpa - accepting that Pratt had screwed up their customer service and vowing to do better. However for the most part, it was too little, too late - the damage was already done.
While the CF6 was certainly important to GE's future, it was the CFM56 that made GE the dominate force it became - it basically killed the JT8D, and it's massive numbers provided the funds for GE to develop the GE90 and GEnx. It got so bad for Pratt that they actually became a PMA supplier of CFM turbine blades.
Having spent considerable time working with Pratt, Rolls, and GE, GE can be a major pain to work with as a supplier - much more so than Rolls (it's been said both GE and Rolls will tell you to F-off, but Rolls somehow makes it sound polite ). But, when they have a serious problem, no one does a better 'all hands on deck' response to the problem than GE.
That is really interesting as I can well remember P&W taking full page ads in Flight saying 'ever tried talking to P&W with a picture of a brick wall. They followed this up by showing how they were improving their Customer Support.
However, they are making a real comeback with the GTF which despite a number of problems such as rotor de-bow has sold well. The concept of dealing with increasing Fan size needs it to be decoupled from the fast rotating LPT.
I am still surprised that them and GE did not try to follow the RR 3 spool arrangement. The GTF is quite an elegant solution providing you can make the gearing light enough as well as durable.
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Pratt arrogance ...
This is a more general thing you find in established market-leading companies with what appear to be cash cow products, particularly if they get into the hands of influential shareholders who are only interested in the short term, and whose spreadsheets don't go beyond month 60 in 5 years' time, rather than the visionaries who built the company up. Exactly the same at Boeing, who have progressively re-lifed the 737 and now the 777. McDonnell Douglas was worse. Pratts actually thought a cheap fiddled-with JT8D-200 would be competitive with the CFM56.

Reduce service standards, and increase what you charge for it. It works for a few years, and if you have both short-term investors and short-term managers this is what they go for. Politicians are regularly chided for doing the same.
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