Airline Call Signs
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I stand to be corrected, but as someone who spent some 4 years with BA in Muscat the BA11/BA12 routeing was always LHR/MCT/SIN/SYD and return...at least during the early '80's. Maybe the route changed in later years?
I don’t know about differentiating between east & west bound departures but, from the 60s onwards the following airlines used even numbers on departures from Europe to USA/Canada :-
DLH, AZA, SWR
& the following used odd:-
AFR, BAW, EIN, KLM, SAB, IBE, SAS, AFL, OAL, TWA, PAA, ELY, AIC, TAP, KAC.
The others I am not certain about.
DLH, AZA, SWR
& the following used odd:-
AFR, BAW, EIN, KLM, SAB, IBE, SAS, AFL, OAL, TWA, PAA, ELY, AIC, TAP, KAC.
The others I am not certain about.
Last edited by kcockayne; 12th Feb 2021 at 18:59. Reason: Extra info
From BOAC days - it was “odd” to leave Great Britain.
I'm thinking of the VC-10 operation.
I think the 747s started in SYD.
Used to call BA about 7pm. to check if it was on time. One evening I was told that the 747 hadn't left SYD yet. Cue, quick dash to get Gulf Air to Bahrain and catch a flight from there. I think I went KLM DC-10 to Amsterdam then BA Trident to Heathrow.
Over 40 years ago!
I believe the odd number KLM uses is because the first flight in 1919 did not depart from Amsterdam, but from London to Amsterdam, it was therefore flight 101. I think this service still has this flight number, although with an extra zero. Is this the oldest flight number still in use on the same stretch?
Was it Dan-Air that at one time (1980s maybe) used a callsign suffix of Alpha for Away, and Bravo for Back?
Actually, Dan-Air call were not so simple
Positioning flights usedcthe number 99 followed by the last two letters of the aircraft reg. Eg 99victorgolf.
The only other use of alpha numerics was an experiment in 1982, all letters of the alphabet were used except A and D.
1st letter was B then a 4 denoting a 1-11 or a 6 denoting a 748. So 24 letters used. Eg DA001 B6BB, DA024 B6BZ. DA025 C6BB, DA048 C6CZ.
These were the only examples of alpha numerics used by Dan
Positioning flights usedcthe number 99 followed by the last two letters of the aircraft reg. Eg 99victorgolf.
The only other use of alpha numerics was an experiment in 1982, all letters of the alphabet were used except A and D.
1st letter was B then a 4 denoting a 1-11 or a 6 denoting a 748. So 24 letters used. Eg DA001 B6BB, DA024 B6BZ. DA025 C6BB, DA048 C6CZ.
These were the only examples of alpha numerics used by Dan
I believe the odd number KLM uses is because the first flight in 1919 did not depart from Amsterdam, but from London to Amsterdam, it was therefore flight 101. I think this service still has this flight number, although with an extra zero. Is this the oldest flight number still in use on the same stretch?
KL101 was used last in 2019 for a flight from London City to Antwerp.
I could not find data for flights KL0101
KL1101 is used for flights to Damman.
Sorry you missed the humour Bean
A famous MAN based 1-11 Capt (Barry J) was inbound from LGW in an empty aircraft when an equally famous Manchester air trafficker asked “what does the FA stand for? “
He replied “ no pax - as in sweet fanny Adams”
Except he didn’t say those exact words
A famous MAN based 1-11 Capt (Barry J) was inbound from LGW in an empty aircraft when an equally famous Manchester air trafficker asked “what does the FA stand for? “
He replied “ no pax - as in sweet fanny Adams”
Except he didn’t say those exact words
F.A. ? Can't remember the detail now, so doubtless will be corrected. Aircraft talking to a USA controller somewhere ? in the US used an offensive word, I 'think' the F word, and was immediately chastised by the controller, which resulted in many aircraft also on the freq. to deliberately repeat it e.g. " I didn't say F" and "Did you say F?" " I just heard someone say F " " Who said F ? " " Did I hear F ? " All without any identifying call signs. 0
Such fun.
Such fun.
KLM didn't operate LCY-Antwerp. Air Antwerp did, with a Fokker 50 - flight numbers were WP101 (maybe where the confusion arose), WP121, WP141, etc.
Perhaps KLM codeshared on the route?
Thank you for correcting me on the KL 1001.
I am not such a flight tracker that I know when Flightaware would be upset.
I to wondered a bit about KLM flying on Antwerp.
But they indeed have a code sharing with Air Antwerp on that route.
I am not such a flight tracker that I know when Flightaware would be upset.
I to wondered a bit about KLM flying on Antwerp.
But they indeed have a code sharing with Air Antwerp on that route.
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Transmeridian Air Cargo/TMAC. Their callsign was - from memory - their 2-letter flight plan identifier which was "KK" or "Kilo Kilo". When BAF leased 2 of their CL-44's briefly in 1972 does anyone know if they flew under the "Kilo Kilo" callsign or did they use "Air Ferries"? Or of course the aircraft registration. Logically I would expect them to use a TMAC callsign as the aircraft would have been operated under their AOC rather then the BAF one.
Any answers much appreciated.
Any answers much appreciated.
Pelican Air Transport used "Pelican" which teed off Air France Cargo who had previously used this but had not registered the callsign. DP was the designator for the flight plans.