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Going through old photos/negatives of my father I found four to do with planes.
They were all taken in England or Scotland.
Possibly pre WWWII
I would like to know
where and when they were taken.
are they historically important or shall I throw them away
One is front of a Junkers ?52
One is KLM Douglas
One a swastika, possibly on the tail of the Junkers
One is from the air in a bi plane.
Any suggestions?
They were all taken in England or Scotland.
Possibly pre WWWII
I would like to know
where and when they were taken.
are they historically important or shall I throw them away
One is front of a Junkers ?52
One is KLM Douglas
One a swastika, possibly on the tail of the Junkers
One is from the air in a bi plane.
Any suggestions?
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Yes, Junkers 52 with a swastika, certainly 1930s if taken in UK.
Are you able to share the other two?
Are you able to share the other two?
Lufthansa served Croydon with their Ju-52s pre-war, as did KLM with their DC-2s, so the photos may well have been taken there.
Heston did get the occasional diversion, so that's a possibility, too.
Heston did get the occasional diversion, so that's a possibility, too.
I would like to know where and when they were taken.
Are they historically important or shall I throw them away
Are they historically important or shall I throw them away
Leica..... Welcome to the forum,
Probably not historically significant but do not throw them away. There will always be somebody out there who will find them interesting and maybe important to their research or a good addition to their collection.
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Thanks for the information. As a complete non plane person I wasn't sure if this site was appropriate. I feel quite proud of working out they were a Junkers 52 and a Douglas DC2.
I did think Croydon maybe. Pre-war as Luftahansa post war didn't use Junkers (I think).
Easy to say don't throw them but I am having a clear out and am getting rid of everything non essential.
Other two attached. Somebody may be identify the ground in the one from the air (or even the plane).
Again, many thanks for your time.
I did think Croydon maybe. Pre-war as Luftahansa post war didn't use Junkers (I think).
Easy to say don't throw them but I am having a clear out and am getting rid of everything non essential.
Other two attached. Somebody may be identify the ground in the one from the air (or even the plane).
Again, many thanks for your time.
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Leica, fourth pic is taken from a de Havilland DH-84 Dragon flying over Croydon Airport - just a mile from me right now! The control tower/terminal building is very distinctive, now an office block and museum. Purley Way playing fields beyond and the ridge is Croham Hurst.
Great pics, thank you!
Great pics, thank you!
All the pre-war KLM aircraft were named after birds and the last letter of the registration was to be the same as the first letter of the species. They had to get a bit creative for some aircraft. I think that 'Duif' (Dutch for dove) was already taken.
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The background to the KLM DC-2 could be the Stafford Road Croydon houses on the right and the Woodcote area to the left, looking Westwards....looks a little larger and flatter than Croydon but could be a wide-angle lens effect
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I reckon they were all taken at Croydon.
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You have all been fantastic. Thank you.
I have contacted Croydon Airport Society and they would like the negatives for their archives. We are going up to their open day on 8 January to hand them over.
Again, thanks.
I shall now return to trying to identify his 1935 photos of London buildings, most of which no longer exist.
I have contacted Croydon Airport Society and they would like the negatives for their archives. We are going up to their open day on 8 January to hand them over.
Again, thanks.
I shall now return to trying to identify his 1935 photos of London buildings, most of which no longer exist.
Treaders : Do you think the photo of the Junkers nose has just got the north end of the Croydon terminal building creeping in to the picture. My guess is that they were all taken at the same time, and three of them from pretty much the same point.
The flight in the DH84 Dragon could likely be one of the 5/10 minute "joyrides" that were popular there at weekends (when the number of such passengers probably surpassed those on regular flights). There were several operators based there who would get involved. As the photos were taken "airside" they may have been shot while being taken to/from the joyriding aircraft.
Leica : Oh, well done for spotting Djalak was a DC2 and not the more ubiquitous successor, the DC3. It was delivered in April 1936 so I would guess the photos were from one of the summers 1936-39, possibly one of the later years as the DC2s were initially bought for the long flights from Amsterdam to what is now Jakarta, Indonesia, and on to Sydney, but were bumped down to local European runs by KLMs later and larger DC3, which came on line from 1937 onward.
If you meet Dr Frank Anderson, from the aviation society, at Croydon tomorrow, do give him our best regards - a number posting in this thread had a meet-up there a while ago and plagued poor Dr Frank with excessively detailed questions, and then even worse answered them before he could get a word in edgeways
The flight in the DH84 Dragon could likely be one of the 5/10 minute "joyrides" that were popular there at weekends (when the number of such passengers probably surpassed those on regular flights). There were several operators based there who would get involved. As the photos were taken "airside" they may have been shot while being taken to/from the joyriding aircraft.
Leica : Oh, well done for spotting Djalak was a DC2 and not the more ubiquitous successor, the DC3. It was delivered in April 1936 so I would guess the photos were from one of the summers 1936-39, possibly one of the later years as the DC2s were initially bought for the long flights from Amsterdam to what is now Jakarta, Indonesia, and on to Sydney, but were bumped down to local European runs by KLMs later and larger DC3, which came on line from 1937 onward.
If you meet Dr Frank Anderson, from the aviation society, at Croydon tomorrow, do give him our best regards - a number posting in this thread had a meet-up there a while ago and plagued poor Dr Frank with excessively detailed questions, and then even worse answered them before he could get a word in edgeways
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WHBM, I'd agree!
Leica, well done, thanks, and have a great day tomorrow. Likewise, regards to Dr Anderson.
Leica, well done, thanks, and have a great day tomorrow. Likewise, regards to Dr Anderson.
All the pre-war KLM aircraft were named after birds and the last letter of the registration was to be the same as the first letter of the species.
Thanks, I didn't know that. I had wondered why they had chosen an Indonesian bird's name. I have done quite a bit of research into the PH-ALU Uiver (Stork) crash at Rutbah Wells, but I never made the connection between the registration and the name!
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Interesting thread and a great result for the photos.
Does anyone know if the unusual Junkers G.38 ever sported Swastikas on its visits to Croydon? I cannot find any clear photos to suggest that after a quick look on Google.
Does anyone know if the unusual Junkers G.38 ever sported Swastikas on its visits to Croydon? I cannot find any clear photos to suggest that after a quick look on Google.
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And PH-AKJ's name was 'Jan van Gent' which is the Dutch name for a Gannet. This is a good list and shows that both Indonesian birds and Dutch birds were used. For completeness a list like this should go further back as the practice started on the earlier Fokkers, which is where some of the more common birdnames were utilised (such as "Pelikaan" (Pelican) on a Fokker F.XVIII, they obviously had to dig deeper for the later Ps but also reused this same name on a DC-3!).
An interesting, slightly related, anecdote is linked to PH-AIO, a Fokker F.XVIII named "Oehoe" (Eagle Owl). This aircraft was flown to Curacao to be used in the KLM West Indies service and had to be renamed "Oriole" as the Eagle Owl is considered an unlucky bird in the local culture.
An interesting, slightly related, anecdote is linked to PH-AIO, a Fokker F.XVIII named "Oehoe" (Eagle Owl). This aircraft was flown to Curacao to be used in the KLM West Indies service and had to be renamed "Oriole" as the Eagle Owl is considered an unlucky bird in the local culture.