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Old 31st Dec 2016, 05:31
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Devon airborne downunder

ZK-KTT was airborne at Tauranga on 30th December, for the first time in 30 years. Dave Phillips of Hunter, Mosquito and Tiger Moth fame at the controls.









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That second photo reminds me of the time when in response to a radio call from Air Traffic about the amount of smoke on start up the pilot replied that everything was OK but he was going IMC to start number two.
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Is that just black paint on the leading edge of the rudder?

Looks a bit like a de-icing boot, but I don't recall ever the Dove/Devon ever having those.
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Oh what joy. I saw it at Ardmore in 2007 looking resplendent. Many congrats to all those who worked to achieve this milestone.
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some later Doves seem to have had a de-ing strip on the tail

de Havilland DH104 Dove Mk.8 ? de Havilland Aircraft Museum

  • cabin fresh air intakes above the windows,
  • open inlet pipes protruding forward from the engine exhausts to provide exhaust-heated cabin hot air,
  • a wing leading-edge intake on the port side of each engine for the pneumatic system compressors,
  • porous strips in the wing and tail leading-edges for pumping out de-icing fluid,
  • a fully castoring nosewheel allowing turning by differential braking while taxiing,
  • a twin-tread anti-shimmy nosewheel tyre,
  • a landing light on the nosewheel bay front door.c
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Aah, just lovely
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Now they just need to get the Heron airborne. See pictures 1 and 3.
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This one I guess?

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I think the black stripe at the top of the rudder horn balance is probably just paint. It might be a rubber protective strip, as the rudder is fabric-covered.

As far as I remember, the TKS porous metal strips are only installed on the leading edges of the outboard wings and tail plane. I don't think the fin has one.

I ferried one from Malta to the UK. It had been sitting out in the sun for a few months. After a good few engine runs and a test-flight, we set off. Traversing a cold front just south of Sicily, we started picking up some ice. I switched on the TKS system and watched, fascinated, as the ice ridges continued to grow! After a few minutes more, and following a lightning strike, I decided to turn it off. The ice stopped growing and eventually ablated after we exited the clouds. I reckon water/condensation had settled in the TKS fluid tank and so I was growing my own ice!

(About 1000 hrs on Doves in the 70s and 80s.)
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HD,

That's the one. I first saw her in 2011. Looking more tatty than in your pictures. Some tears in the flap fabric, but I was told she's potentially airworthy.

I had completely forgotten that there were fixed-gear Herons.

eckhard,

Thanks for that interesting anecdote.
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Lovely! I always considered the Devon to be one of those aircraft that looks "just right".
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That black bit on the rudder leading edge is paint, Doves Devon s were fitted with liquid anti iceing via porous strips on the leading edges of wings, horizontal and vertical stabilizers supplied by a 6 gallons tank aft of the main baggage hold and windscreen anti iceing via a hand pump fed from a 1 gallon tank forward of the nose bay hatch, however they are all removed from most of the type with only one exception which I am aware of.
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Originally Posted by eckhard
I think the black stripe at the top of the rudder horn balance is probably just paint. It might be a rubber protective strip, as the rudder is fabric-covered.

As far as I remember, the TKS porous metal strips are only installed on the leading edges of the outboard wings and tail plane. I don't think the fin has one.

I ferried one from Malta to the UK. It had been sitting out in the sun for a few months. After a good few engine runs and a test-flight, we set off. Traversing a cold front just south of Sicily, we started picking up some ice. I switched on the TKS system and watched, fascinated, as the ice ridges continued to grow! After a few minutes more, and following a lightning strike, I decided to turn it off. The ice stopped growing and eventually ablated after we exited the clouds. I reckon water/condensation had settled in the TKS fluid tank and so I was growing my own ice!

(About 1000 hrs on Doves in the 70s and 80s.)
The anti iceing needs a good five minute prime before being used in anger to clear moisture and get the fluid up to the strips, " growing your own ice " what a wonderful and poetic discription, I remember once having a good two inch shelf of snow sticking out underneath the strip, above and top of the wing were perfectly clear, a very odd thing to see and very frightening the first time, no bother to the old girls though.
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Wonderful. Flew on a Devon out of Northolt once in early 60's. Brought back some nice memories long forgotten.
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Aah, just lovely
You mean 'aah De Havilland'.
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chevvron,

You are Roger Bacon and I claim my £5.


I should give a credit to Peter Mole for the Devon photos. You can see more great photos here:

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004565670700

And for Heron fans, here's an engine run from three years ago, with a bit of a post-start whoopsie:

https://www.facebook.com/Classicflye...2926445465347/
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Chev - that too.


ZFT - if before Jan 63 you would have been over the top of our house whilst I was around. Devons, Ansons, Expeditors, Flamants, etc, all day every day
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
some later Doves seem to have had a de-ing strip on the tail
Yes, I'm aware of the TKS system on the Dove's fixed aerofoils.

But getting either de-icing fluid or hot air to the leading edge of a moveable control surface like the rudder sounds like a lot of hard work.

I'll settle for it being a paint marking.
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Originally Posted by Wander00
Chev - that too.


ZFT - if before Jan 63 you would have been over the top of our house whilst I was around. Devons, Ansons, Expeditors, Flamants, etc, all day every day
It probably was. You can add Pembrokes, Valettas and those wonderful IAF Connies to that list too.
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Ah the old Smokey start ups, there is no descret way to fire up a gypsy queen,
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