Revival of Concorde
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That group was 'confident' for the 2012 Olympics - and nothing happened.
So unnamed investor propells 40 Million for a ground-display?
But a 120M would make it fly again? Doesnt compute for me.
He could do "better" with that money
So unnamed investor propells 40 Million for a ground-display?
But a 120M would make it fly again? Doesnt compute for me.
He could do "better" with that money
....when doing my EASA Part 66 B licence, Where I was studying had the option to have a rating on Concorde so it's definitely possible.
There are Licenced Engineers currently studying for A320s who are struggling to get the required practical experience and OJT.
This is a bunch chancers or deluded misguided fools who have no clue what is involved to even get one airworthy never mind keep it that way for commercial operations.
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That group was 'confident' for the 2012 Olympics - and nothing happened.
Further rumour was that it was being planned to do a flypast as part of the opening ceremony of the 2012 Paris Olympics.
But another nation put paid to that idea!
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Might I just add how pessimistic everyone was when the vulcan was said to be making a return.
That was before the lottery funding.
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The really strange things here are :
We have a Concorde at LHR, which BA would snap the hands off anyone with a funded sensible plan for, but BA refuse to deal with club Concorde. I would suggest they have done their due diligence and are quietly laughing?
So Club Concorde come up with a plan B for a Concorde on the Thames - buy a Concorde from a small French Museum, where its owned by the local people. They plan to give all the locals €300 each.
Everyone knows Concorde can't fly again after the support infrastructure and spares logistics were disbanded in 2003, coupled to the fact that the design authority Airbus are 100% not in favour; so who would provided £120m of funding with no return?
The Concorde they are targeting to fly, F-BTSD at Le Bourget, is a French heritage artefact, owed by the Republic of France in the same way they own the Mona Lisa. Do with think thy will let a load of Brits come over and nab it.
I think quiet news day all around for a web only ' journalist' at Telegraph sums it all up.
We have a Concorde at LHR, which BA would snap the hands off anyone with a funded sensible plan for, but BA refuse to deal with club Concorde. I would suggest they have done their due diligence and are quietly laughing?
So Club Concorde come up with a plan B for a Concorde on the Thames - buy a Concorde from a small French Museum, where its owned by the local people. They plan to give all the locals €300 each.
Everyone knows Concorde can't fly again after the support infrastructure and spares logistics were disbanded in 2003, coupled to the fact that the design authority Airbus are 100% not in favour; so who would provided £120m of funding with no return?
The Concorde they are targeting to fly, F-BTSD at Le Bourget, is a French heritage artefact, owed by the Republic of France in the same way they own the Mona Lisa. Do with think thy will let a load of Brits come over and nab it.
I think quiet news day all around for a web only ' journalist' at Telegraph sums it all up.
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Wot Gordon said. These birds haven't flown, haven't even been aeroplanes, for over a decade. They are museum artefacts decomissioned with no thought to recommisioning and no moth balling. There are no spares, no drawings, no specialist tools etc etc. You would have to re-certify these artifacts, and all their highly complex 1960s technology systems. And you'd need Airbus on board (no chance), a TC (no chance), and a C of A (no chance). And none are for sale.
If you believe Branson could have kept it flying, you probably also believe in the Easter Bunny. Smart marketing guy, old beardie. Half the population or more of UK think he could have saved it but for wicked old BA and AF saying "NON". Yeah!
It would probably be cheaper and easier to design a build a modern replacement supersonic airliner than to get a Concorde flying again.
And anyway, she was a bird of her time, a bird of an age when what could be done was done (like sending men to the Moon and bringing them back). She is not a creature of the safety-obsessed accountant-driven unadventurous 21st century. Remember her for the glorious aeroplane she was and rejoice that we had her for almost 3 magnificent Mach 2 decades.
If you believe Branson could have kept it flying, you probably also believe in the Easter Bunny. Smart marketing guy, old beardie. Half the population or more of UK think he could have saved it but for wicked old BA and AF saying "NON". Yeah!
It would probably be cheaper and easier to design a build a modern replacement supersonic airliner than to get a Concorde flying again.
And anyway, she was a bird of her time, a bird of an age when what could be done was done (like sending men to the Moon and bringing them back). She is not a creature of the safety-obsessed accountant-driven unadventurous 21st century. Remember her for the glorious aeroplane she was and rejoice that we had her for almost 3 magnificent Mach 2 decades.
When the Concordes were retired I sent the following to Private Eye for their 'Poets Corner' slot:
So, farewell then, Concorde
Supersonic Wonderjet
‘Arrive before you depart’
That was your slogan
If only you could depart in 2003
And arrive thirty years earlier
Then you could start
All over again
E J Thrubbshaw (17½)
The 'standard' poet for the 'So, farewell then . . . ' format was 'E J Thribb'. Since Brian Trubshaw was one of the Concorde test pilots I thought a mod would be appropriate.
My submission didn't make it into print - they chose a different version.
So, farewell then, Concorde
Supersonic Wonderjet
‘Arrive before you depart’
That was your slogan
If only you could depart in 2003
And arrive thirty years earlier
Then you could start
All over again
E J Thrubbshaw (17½)
The 'standard' poet for the 'So, farewell then . . . ' format was 'E J Thribb'. Since Brian Trubshaw was one of the Concorde test pilots I thought a mod would be appropriate.
My submission didn't make it into print - they chose a different version.
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And for completeness, here is a (translated) press release from the air and space museum.
Press release
Le Bourget, 20 September 2015
DISCLAIMER: The two Concorde of of Air and Space Museum are not for sale
Following recent announcements regarding the possible return of Concorde in flight, and the weekend of Heritage Days, the Air and Space Museum recalls the status of its collections.
If it happens that uninformed visitors ask to the museum reception tickets to Mars or Pluto, the idea to fly again one of the Concorde Museum of Air and Space is equally fanciful.
These two aircraft are part of the national heritage. As the Heritage Code, they are inalienable and imprescriptible, as are the Mona Lisa or the Palace of Versailles. The mission of the Air and Space Museum is to transmit to future generations, just like the 400 other aircraft and objects in the collection. The policy of the Air and Space Museum is not to maintain its aircraft in flying condition, to best protect these parts for some are unique.
There is therefore no question of the two Concorde of Air and Space Museum are sold, regardless of the financial offer, nor will fly again someday.
However, the two Concorde of Air and Space Musuem can be visited by the public throughout the year.
Virtual tour of Concorde 001: Le cockpit du prototype Concorde 001 F-WTSS à 360°> Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace - Site officiel
Virtual tour of Sierra Delta BAC-Sud Aviation Concorde 213 F-BTSD> Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace - Site officiel
Press contact: Pascale NIZET - 06 03 74 18 42
Press release
Le Bourget, 20 September 2015
DISCLAIMER: The two Concorde of of Air and Space Museum are not for sale
Following recent announcements regarding the possible return of Concorde in flight, and the weekend of Heritage Days, the Air and Space Museum recalls the status of its collections.
If it happens that uninformed visitors ask to the museum reception tickets to Mars or Pluto, the idea to fly again one of the Concorde Museum of Air and Space is equally fanciful.
These two aircraft are part of the national heritage. As the Heritage Code, they are inalienable and imprescriptible, as are the Mona Lisa or the Palace of Versailles. The mission of the Air and Space Museum is to transmit to future generations, just like the 400 other aircraft and objects in the collection. The policy of the Air and Space Museum is not to maintain its aircraft in flying condition, to best protect these parts for some are unique.
There is therefore no question of the two Concorde of Air and Space Museum are sold, regardless of the financial offer, nor will fly again someday.
However, the two Concorde of Air and Space Musuem can be visited by the public throughout the year.
Virtual tour of Concorde 001: Le cockpit du prototype Concorde 001 F-WTSS à 360°> Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace - Site officiel
Virtual tour of Sierra Delta BAC-Sud Aviation Concorde 213 F-BTSD> Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace - Site officiel
Press contact: Pascale NIZET - 06 03 74 18 42
The sad thing is that the original, rather more modest, aim of the group - to display two of the existing Concordes in London and Paris riverside locations - is actually rather commendable, and could even produce a reasonable ROI.
It's a shame that the group appears to have been distracted by the delusional "return to flight" project.
It's a shame that the group appears to have been distracted by the delusional "return to flight" project.
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Maybe an example could have been kept in live condition for taxiing as per aircraft in the Bruntingthorpe collection?
Duxford's example was low on hours when retired but then there's the noise issue and having travelled on the 1030 Heathrow to Belfast flight many times the previous slot was Concorde , I'll never forget the re-heat opening up yards ahead of us.....
Duxford's example was low on hours when retired but then there's the noise issue and having travelled on the 1030 Heathrow to Belfast flight many times the previous slot was Concorde , I'll never forget the re-heat opening up yards ahead of us.....
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Concorde used reheat (afterburning) for take off then de-selected, and engaged again to accelerate from subsonic cruise (M 0.95) to M 1.7. Then they were de-selected and she continued on to M 2.0 supercuise in dry power.
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Of course it won't happen! These guys should be able to pay themselves a salary for a while and then be 'very disappointed' when nothing happens. Should the maintenance authority ever dream of this, it might turn into a nightmare when they think of a prang like Shoreham.
OTOH, Exhibition in Central London sounds good.
OTOH, Exhibition in Central London sounds good.
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It may not even be possible to certify it to the current regulations.
20 years ago it was a dream to se a Me 262 flying again. No more airworthy engines existing, no full set of plans, nobody current flying the type (for about 50 years...) Now there are several ones flying. Never say never.
But it would definitely take more money than any pivate organisation can raise, so unless some arabian sheik wants to fly on one, this will not happen.
I have seen 3 of the Concordes over the last 3 years (Toulouse, Filton, Sinsheim) and none of them was even close to airworthy. I am even afraid I will be still around when they have to be scrapped for safety reasons...
It is a shame that such masterpieces of engineering are rotting away when millions are spent to restore old paintings or old temples.
Concorde hat more opponents than friends when it was in operation, and nothing changed to the better since.
The best we can do is making sure that all existing documents (drawings, films, photographs...) are conserved, additionally converted to modern electronic format and made available to those interested, and all existing hardware (airframe, engines, test pieces...) is stored properly indoor in a controlled environment.
But even funding that seems to be only realistic for a large organisation (e.g. an airframe manufacturer who once owned it all and now sells Aircraft in excess of 8G€ every month...) but they wish to see the opposite happening.
Reason: 1st pic WAYYY too big
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Club Concorde
But it would definitely take more money than any pivate organisation can raise, so unless some arabian sheik wants to fly on one, this will not happen.
See Club Concorde - Concorde For London
I wonder if any of our Concorde folks are on that picture...
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To be perfectly honest if it were ever to fly again I wouldn't want it flying over my house!
But correct me if I'm wrong don't all the BA Concorde's remain owned by BA? ... They weren't willing to sell them in 2003 and I doubt that anything has changed their minds.
As for the AF Concordes, well Le Bourget are unwilling to sell, one is in a field near ORY, one is on stilts at CDG, one is on a rooftop in Germany, a couple in TLS, have I missed any?
But correct me if I'm wrong don't all the BA Concorde's remain owned by BA? ... They weren't willing to sell them in 2003 and I doubt that anything has changed their minds.
As for the AF Concordes, well Le Bourget are unwilling to sell, one is in a field near ORY, one is on stilts at CDG, one is on a rooftop in Germany, a couple in TLS, have I missed any?