Why is the HS 748 known as the Budgie?
Ah! The HS780. Now that is what we called the Psychedelic Banana in my day.
The above photograph shows XS611 of 21 Squadron landing at Salalah.
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The Herald just didn't look right.
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Would one of you old Aden hands remind us (or give us a link) about the first HS748/Andover C2 which I think (it's a long time ago) replaced Johnnie Johnson's DC3
As I recall, the Captain, Bernie D, suffered prop damage 'up country' on the brand new aircraft, and was blamed.
But... I think he subsequently 'redressed' the great man successfully.
Anyone remember this incident?
As I recall, the Captain, Bernie D, suffered prop damage 'up country' on the brand new aircraft, and was blamed.
But... I think he subsequently 'redressed' the great man successfully.
Anyone remember this incident?
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Shaggy Sheep Driver, that's a nice photo of whiskey echo, I remember it well.
The mod to replace the 4 Leonides with 2 Darts did create aerodynamic problems in the empennage, the inverted slot on the tailplane and a combination of 7 tabs working as spring, trim and gear tabs did produce problems, and it would have been better if a new design could have been developed rather than a hodge podge of fixes.
Below is the HP127 Jet version artists impression,
The mod to replace the 4 Leonides with 2 Darts did create aerodynamic problems in the empennage, the inverted slot on the tailplane and a combination of 7 tabs working as spring, trim and gear tabs did produce problems, and it would have been better if a new design could have been developed rather than a hodge podge of fixes.
Below is the HP127 Jet version artists impression,
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The Dart Herald suffered from being a compromised conversion from the piston engined original. Neither the 748 or F27 had that disadvantage.
As pax I liked the Budgie. Nice breakfast on the Morning BA Manchester - Aberdeen flight as well!
F27 was noisy. Never flew on the Herald but Mrs SSD used to regularly on Manchester - Norwich services. She went up front on one night flight back to Man and remembers seeing the blue sparks from the electric trains on the West Coast Main Line! Must have been low!
As pax I liked the Budgie. Nice breakfast on the Morning BA Manchester - Aberdeen flight as well!
F27 was noisy. Never flew on the Herald but Mrs SSD used to regularly on Manchester - Norwich services. She went up front on one night flight back to Man and remembers seeing the blue sparks from the electric trains on the West Coast Main Line! Must have been low!
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One of the Herald quirks was the forward seating plan, the front pair of seats faced aft, and a fold down table was located before the next row of forward facing seats, this was ideal for families.
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On clear nights in winter the sparks from the West Coast Main Line were often visible from the then Congleton hold either on the 24 or 06 approach, on either the Macclesfield or the Wilmslow branches of the line.
As I pointed out at Post No 4 - it's a small noisy bird.- Scotbill
Interesting, since I have tracked down the Flight Commander of an 829 NAS Wasp Flight, which was allocated to a Rosyth-based frigate in 1967, and the aircraft was apparently always known as "the Butane Budgie".
Jack
Interesting, since I have tracked down the Flight Commander of an 829 NAS Wasp Flight, which was allocated to a Rosyth-based frigate in 1967, and the aircraft was apparently always known as "the Butane Budgie".
Jack
On clear nights in winter the sparks from the West Coast Main Line were often visible from the then Congleton hold either on the 24 or 06 approach, on either the Macclesfield or the Wilmslow branches of the line.
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At 25,000 volts it has the oomph to arc over the ice, unlike the few hundred volts DC (but much higher current) on southern 3rd rail electric trains which often grind to a halt on icy mornings.
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"Would one of you old Aden hands remind us (or give us a link) about the first HS748/Andover C2 which I think (it's a long time ago) replaced Johnnie Johnson's DC3
As I recall, the Captain, Bernie D, suffered prop damage 'up country' on the brand new aircraft, and was blamed." (Sorry, can't work out how to use the "quotes' thing.)
Ahah, XS793 which, on its return to the UK, was known as "The Thiokol Bomber" because of its propensity to leak fuel which required copious amounts of said substance to cure it - temporarily.
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As I recall, the Captain, Bernie D, suffered prop damage 'up country' on the brand new aircraft, and was blamed." (Sorry, can't work out how to use the "quotes' thing.)
Ahah, XS793 which, on its return to the UK, was known as "The Thiokol Bomber" because of its propensity to leak fuel which required copious amounts of said substance to cure it - temporarily.
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The last significant operator of the 748 in the UK purchased the last few remaining ex Dan Air aircraft, these had been parked up for a while, although having received good maintenance with Dan Air they were pretty tired aircraft.
The inventory purchased if I remember was 5 or 6 Series 2 aircraft and a Series 1 aircraft, together with a spares holding including some RDA-6 Darts, the two turbine engine fitted to the early Series 1.
The aircraft were operated on low utilisation and to a fixed (low) maintenance budget, as the engines became due overhaul or repair they were replaced with the spare engines, eventually the stock of RDA -7 531 engines fitted to the Series 2 aircraft ran out.
A simple remedy, we back engineered using maintenance manuals, ( no modification or STC used) and made a Series 1 aircraft from a Series 2 aircraft and fitted the spare RDA 6 engines, we removed the unserviceable RDA7-531 three stage turbines from the Series 2, fitted the RDA6-514 two turbine engines, changed the wiring and gauges ( from ITT to JPT), rigged the controls to give a lower RPM setting and carried out some adjustments to the primary and secondary flying control range of movements.
A new Flight Manual, a new Bakelite rotary computer, revised weight schedule and an adjusted data plate, and that was it.
We had "made" a 748 Series 1, I can't remember the registration, someone on here might.
The RDA 6 two turbine engine fitted to the F27-100 and 748 Series 1 ran at a take off RPM of 14,500 rather than 15,000 and was slightly less ear piercing.
The inventory purchased if I remember was 5 or 6 Series 2 aircraft and a Series 1 aircraft, together with a spares holding including some RDA-6 Darts, the two turbine engine fitted to the early Series 1.
The aircraft were operated on low utilisation and to a fixed (low) maintenance budget, as the engines became due overhaul or repair they were replaced with the spare engines, eventually the stock of RDA -7 531 engines fitted to the Series 2 aircraft ran out.
A simple remedy, we back engineered using maintenance manuals, ( no modification or STC used) and made a Series 1 aircraft from a Series 2 aircraft and fitted the spare RDA 6 engines, we removed the unserviceable RDA7-531 three stage turbines from the Series 2, fitted the RDA6-514 two turbine engines, changed the wiring and gauges ( from ITT to JPT), rigged the controls to give a lower RPM setting and carried out some adjustments to the primary and secondary flying control range of movements.
A new Flight Manual, a new Bakelite rotary computer, revised weight schedule and an adjusted data plate, and that was it.
We had "made" a 748 Series 1, I can't remember the registration, someone on here might.
The RDA 6 two turbine engine fitted to the F27-100 and 748 Series 1 ran at a take off RPM of 14,500 rather than 15,000 and was slightly less ear piercing.
The RDA 6 two turbine engine fitted to the F27-100 and 748 Series 1 ran at a take off RPM of 14,500 rather than 15,000 and was slightly less ear piercing.
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Mod 1800 was a hush kit designed to comply with stage 3 noise levels, this was quite common on the later F27-500 aircraft, I didn't see this on the Heralds or 748s that I can recall.
There was a mod 1860 with redesigned cans and throttle box which gave an increase in fuel efficiency.
There was a mod 1860 with redesigned cans and throttle box which gave an increase in fuel efficiency.
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Air North still operates a scheduled passenger service with a Hawker Siddeley 748 from Whitehorse, Yukon, to Inuvik, NWT, via Dawson City and Old Crow.
Pictured is C-FCSE, a Series 2A built in 1970:
Link to youtube video of a HS748 startup and departing Old Crow, Yukon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf73_IIeJJE
Follow the same flight southbound, landing at Dawson City, Yukon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS7Jq_CNyzk
Pictured is C-FCSE, a Series 2A built in 1970:
Link to youtube video of a HS748 startup and departing Old Crow, Yukon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf73_IIeJJE
Follow the same flight southbound, landing at Dawson City, Yukon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS7Jq_CNyzk
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