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Old 5th Oct 2019, 21:59
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Wot a good clue.

Found it but it's bedtime.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 22:07
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Apples and pears..............zzzz
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 05:52
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You shouldn't have gone to bed, dook! My first guess was the Boulton Paul Balliol, but the panel didn't match, so I looked into other 1940s-1950s side-by-side advanced trainers.

Instead of an Oxford College, I found a Greek Goddess - the Avro Athena!

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Old 6th Oct 2019, 09:18
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I simply thought it an idea to give "the night shift" a shot, and you pitched up on cue.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 11:33
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Sorry guys,just spent over an hour trying to get this thing to work.....bad hangover...( computer,not me)
Over to I42.......
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 18:04
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I'm also sorry for the delay, but it's due to me being a gentleman of leisure these days and deciding to stay in bed this morning!

The view out of the Athena cockpit must have been appalling with those gun sights in the way.

Here's a cockpit that I actually had lined up for once!


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I thought you might be working.

Now that I am retired I find I don't need a lie-in - I'm up at 0830-0900 local every day !
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 18:29
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US piston trainer ?

I can't make out if it's a single or twin.

Suspect twin and trying to work out why all the engine instruments are on the right.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 18:39
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US piston. Not designed as a trainer, but I'm sure it has taken on that role. More clues later, if required.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 18:45
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"if required" might well be an understatement.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 18:48
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Was it designed for light attack ?
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 19:36
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Ryan Navion L17-B?

OH if correct
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 19:40
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Well, those control wheels are very Ryan, but it does look like a twin, so could it be a Twin Navion?

I see that Bear is on the same track, dunno if his designation is a twin though!

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This should be interesting when I42 comes back.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 19:55
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You can see an engine on the right....
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 20:24
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I completely neglected the twin engine configuration.
All credits to SincoTC!
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When I42 comes back to the bar, will someone please wish him goodnight from me.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 22:47
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Sorry guys. I’ve been out enjoying the +16 weather.

Yes, the Twin Navion. A fascinating development history. It all started with a Navion owner who wanted to buy a twin. His AME said why don’t we put two engines in yours? Not difficult and it’s only a minor mod. A Form 337 will do!

Making the first Twin Navion

I saw our local one at a fly-in breakfast recently, which is what prompted me to look for a cockpit photo:



Scottie’s Toy has an interesting history:

C-FNHN, The History of 'Scottie's Toy'

Well spotted SincoTC, you have control.


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Thanks I-42, good challenge

I spent quite a while searching for a photo showing that overhead panel after I decided it must be Navion of sorts due to those characteristic control wheels, plus that glimpse of a nacelle out of the window confirmed it 's twin! I did find a couple but they all had slightly different layout on OH panel and modern looking control wheels, but as it seemed they were all mods anyway, there were bound to be variations, so I decided to take a punt

Here's the next one!


Now I'm off to bed too!

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Old 7th Oct 2019, 03:53
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Leather straps on the rudder pedals. Germany or points further east?
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