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Today this thread has passed 1 million views. A big thank you to those that just visit and those that contribute to this thread with their questions and knowledge.
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Wonder why rear mounted engines went out of favour on short to mid range airliners but are the mainstay of business jets?
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Thanks to everyone who posts all the great photos and answers all my questions.
Now... can anyone post a photo of a Casa C212 or CN235 at LTN?
Because very few bizjets are big enough to accommodate underwing engines.
Aft mounted engines require heavy structural adaption of the fuselage, a backwards c of g with associated limited travel, and large horizontal stabilizers to provide sufficient tail volume for aerodynamical stability. And in many cases, it requires a T-tail, again a heavy structure. Furthermore, wing-mounted engines provide some wing bending relief. The advantages -clean aerodynamic and (somewhat) smaller vertical tail- are outweighed by the penalties.
Only ground clearance under the wing?
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We should also remember passenger comfort, that is sound levels. All the rear engined jets that I've flown on were very quiet, especially sitting forward of the wing. The outside noise was another matter ;-)
Btw, congratulations on the 1,000,000th view, great thread over the years!
Btw, congratulations on the 1,000,000th view, great thread over the years!
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Good thread, keep it up folks!
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Can anybody remember any of the jokes written on the walls of the Gents in Freds original Flying Club Bar by the control tower?? The one with the cubby hole which opened after official closing time. Early 70's
Because very few bizjets are big enough to accommodate underwing engines.
The newish Honda Jet is an interesting design with engines mounted above the wings to give maximum cabin space.....Not many in Europe yet (but there was a Maltese registered one in LTN last month.....)
The newish Honda Jet is an interesting design with engines mounted above the wings to give maximum cabin space.....Not many in Europe yet (but there was a Maltese registered one in LTN last month.....)
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Several have been in and out of Biggin. Reminiscent of the VFW-614, is that a type which has been into Luton?
I was thinking of the VFW-614 earlier in the thread, when people were discussing engine mounting. Clever design, but visually ugly. The Luftwaffe had some in the VIP role, so perhaps one popped into LTN, although more likely into RAF Northolt. Having said that Air Alsace had some and maybe on a football charter into LTN ?
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Because very few bizjets are big enough to accommodate underwing engines.
The newish Honda Jet is an interesting design with engines mounted above the wings to give maximum cabin space.....Not many in Europe yet (but there was a Maltese registered one in LTN last month.....)
The newish Honda Jet is an interesting design with engines mounted above the wings to give maximum cabin space.....Not many in Europe yet (but there was a Maltese registered one in LTN last month.....)
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I don't recall any VFW-614 visits. Cimber Air were another European operator but, as with Air Alsace, the type wasn't a success and they only lasted 5 years max.
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I recall seeing a TAT VFW-614 coming out of Heathrow one afternoon and a Luftwaffe example on a remote stand at Heathrow; never saw any others in the UK.
Just trying to think of the most unusual type I ever saw at Luton on my infrequent visits (usually to/from the PFA at Cranfield) but nothing springs to mind - the interesting stuff was always the visiting biz-jets!
Just trying to think of the most unusual type I ever saw at Luton on my infrequent visits (usually to/from the PFA at Cranfield) but nothing springs to mind - the interesting stuff was always the visiting biz-jets!
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if you were able to cram 85 bags (standard loading) in the rear hold.
Ah yes, and the lonely 2 bags from a total of 87 went in the front !
Low loads of less than 80 I think we split 50/50 front/rear and free seating for the punters.
Ah yes, and the lonely 2 bags from a total of 87 went in the front !
Low loads of less than 80 I think we split 50/50 front/rear and free seating for the punters.
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16th January 2003
BMA had both 70 & 100
Air Europe had a fleet of new Fokker F100's for scheds and charters
They were very nice inside and they differed in having the normal opening pax and cargo hold doors (ie not drop downs, but slide out and hinged up)
In addition to the DC-9 the Super 80 (MD-80) series was on the UK register too (BIA and Paramount)
Air Europe had a fleet of new Fokker F100's for scheds and charters
They were very nice inside and they differed in having the normal opening pax and cargo hold doors (ie not drop downs, but slide out and hinged up)
In addition to the DC-9 the Super 80 (MD-80) series was on the UK register too (BIA and Paramount)