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Old 27th Oct 2013, 09:43
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RR Dart?

Is there a book available which describes the design and development of the Dart?
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There was a potted early history of the Dart in a Flight article from March 1953:

viscount | power plant | operational development | 1953 | 0370 | Flight Archive

and a later (1958) update here:

viscount | dart | date power | 1958 | 0262 | Flight Archive
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Rolls Royce Heritage Trust

"The Rolls-Royce Dart - pioneering turboprop" by Roy Heathcote, published by Rolls Royce Heritage Trust in 1992. Historical Series No 18
ISBN 1-872922-03-1.

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Thanks very much both of you.
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Just started Roy Heathcote's book and enjoying it very much. I must say, I very much miss the sound of taxiing Darts, though I never really appreciated it back in the day, except perhaps the last time I flew into Jersey, in the early 90's and the place was alive with that sound.
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I can still hear them whistling !


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I guess that is a wing of a Vickers Vanguard? Nice photograph.
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Whitworth Gloster Argosy. The Vanguard had RR Tynes.
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Whitworth Gloster Argosy. The Vanguard had RR Tynes.
That's the Armstrong Whitworth (AW660) Argosy surely? And since those R. Da. 10s are putting out considerably more horse power than the R. Da. 7s of my Dart Herald experience, I would venture that they're not whistling in that mode of flight, and forward of the compressors, but BLARING MIND-NUMBINGLY. Unless the sound-proofing on the Argosy flight deck was a whole lot better than in the Herald, which wouldn't be difficult, come to think of it.

Behind the line of the props, it's true that the further you walked down the cabin the more the engine sound moderated to a quite pleasant whine.

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Yer that's a whistling wheelbarrow, mate.
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Well, it was certainly known to the press as the Whistling Wheelbarrow but in the service the word 'wheelbarrow' was disposed of and 'xxx' a far more popular one used!
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After the nose radome was fitted!
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Both the type and location should be obvious. Happy days!

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That's the Armstrong Whitworth (AW660) Argosy surely? And since those R. Da. 10s are putting out considerably more horse power than the R. Da. 7s of my Dart Herald experience, I would venture that they're not whistling in that mode of flight, and forward of the compressors, but BLARING MIND-NUMBINGLY. Unless the sound-proofing on the Argosy flight deck was a whole lot better than in the Herald, which wouldn't be difficult, come to think of it.
If I remember correctly Armstrong Whitworth morphed into Whitworth Gloster in 1961. The Argosy flight deck was noticeably less noisy than the the dart Herald as the engines were farther away and the sound proofing more efficient, but I do remember the distant, but ever present whistling noise.
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The Argosy could carry an even bigger elephant after the Dart 101's were fitted.
Seriously, it was a much better aircraft than many denigrators would like to think, the same could also be said about the Dart Herald.
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If there was a competition for the most neat and tidy engine installation, maybe the Dart would win? It just looks so good.
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The night time BEA Argosy freight flights from Heathrow to Paris occasionally used to achieve 4,000 ft by the south coast.
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We used to fly from Aden to Mombasa and return with a full load of (65) passengers. Five hours plus each way and a lot of high ground along the route.
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And I imagine you would be able to hear the Water Meth gurgling down the pipes on T/O!!

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Set climb power Eng......14500 785 trim trim.....
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