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Old 1st Jul 2012, 19:36
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No, buddy, no!

Not necessarily "all" the personnel involved, more all the personnel "involved" if you make the distinction.

The ultimate line of defence agains this sort of f***up is the walkaround. Regardless of what atrocities - and I use that word deliberately - were committed in engineering and control practices in the hangar beforehand the ultimate responsibility for the safe departure of any aircraft, balloon, microlight, helo orthe space shuttle itself is a thorough and punctilious walkaround.

Compounding the self evident shocking lapses in engineering controls that allowed this unbelievable occurrence to be set up in the first place is the clear, blatant and utterly unforgivable failure to carry out a competent walkaround. There can be no excuse for this whatsoever, absolutely none.

Someone (or two, or five) need/s to do the decent thing and fall on their sword/s. Or perhaps, under the circumstances, people need to be put to the sword which given the absence of honourable or Professional behaviour alluded to above is clearly necessary now.

Most unimpressed.
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Old 1st Jul 2012, 19:42
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Bit of another Vulcan Incident that I know scared the pilot in this montage

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Old 2nd Jul 2012, 09:44
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Amen to that Sir!
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Old 2nd Jul 2012, 10:28
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The aircrew can't see in the intakes so are they supposed to drag steps across the pan or should there be a cherry picker on hand?

They do check things they can see - such as for leaks, tyres and loose panels etc but when do you take the word of the ground crew that an aircraft is handed over as fit for flight and when do you start taking panels off in case something has not been connected inside?

Not having a go just wondered where the line is drawn.

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Old 2nd Jul 2012, 13:50
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You are absolutely correct about the crew checking the intakes aswell as the point about when you take the word of the groundcrew, I couldn't agree more with you, and I do believe that it would be a fair assumption for the crew to make, in believing that the intakes had been checked for FOD. But, as we know, that wasn't the case, and I think both you and I agree that this was a very lucky escape for all concerned. Not least of all for the groundcrew who, had this incident ended much worse, could well have faced some very serious charges.

Of course, there is a very simple answer to all this - don't put anything,(ANYTHING AT ALL) down an engine intake. I have spoken to lots of engineers since this incident and not a single one of them has ever heard of placing silica or anything else down the intake of an aircraft, which brings me back to my original point some time ago ref 'enthusiastic amatuers'

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Old 2nd Jul 2012, 18:56
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The aircrew can't see in the intakes so are they supposed to drag steps across the pan or should there be a cherry picker on hand?

They do check things they can see - such as for leaks, tyres and loose panels etc but when do you take the word of the ground crew that an aircraft is handed over as fit for flight and when do you start taking panels off in case something has not been connected inside?
Sorry, I don't inhabit this section of pprune much, and had assumed - wrongly, that language here was not that specific. So let me clarify. Clearly engine intakes must always be checked before start up. In the case of a flight, that means the engines must be checked pre flight. However, I agree that for the Vulcan, a signed up B/F used to suffice. That said, I remember one crew member who was meticulous on his walk round; it wouldn't have surprised me at all if I had seen him perched on a safety raiser, looking down an intake.

I promise to be more careful with my wording if I comment in AH&N again!
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 11:41
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Sources are reporting that XH558 is airborne right now on an airtest and display practise.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 11:45
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It flew over Scunthorpe 25 minutes ago.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 12:14
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Flew over the end of my street in York bang on 1pm, heading West.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 12:27
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...and again just now, towards Elvington
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 13:54
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Tuesday's test flight went well and Vulcan is now airborne again for display practice.
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 18:27
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So what actually happened at Church Fenton?
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