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Old 15th May 2011, 21:46
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What's this aircraft please?

Given a picture by my aunt of a family member on a plane. Trying to identify the plane. I think I know what it is but I await the collective knowledge on here to help me out.

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Handley Page HP.42. A fascinating aeroplane.





Second thoughts: It's not, is it? There's a definite family resemblence, not least in the lower mainplane and fuselage junction and the shape of the door, as well as the fuselage corrugations and engine position, but the paired cabin windows, the extra window aft of the door and the kink in the fuse aren't quite right.
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Agreed. I thought it might be a Shorts Scylla but I'm not sure.
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No it's not a HP42 or a Scylla - my first thoughts as well! Got me stumped...
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Not sure myself, but are the 'Empty Weight' or 'Max Weight Authorised'
figures just aft of the door any help to identifing this aircraft?
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I think it may be the Shorts Syrinx. This aircraft was blown over by a gale at Brussels in 1936, I believe. The aircraft was returned to Rochester by barge and rebuilt. During this rebuild the engines were replaced by four Pegasus XC engines and the opportumity was also taken to refurbish the interior and fitting rectangular windows. Syrinx ended its life I believe at Exeter airport where the fuselage was used as office accommodation.

Syrinx after rebuild.
The empty weight for Syrinx was 22,650lb. AUW 33,500lb.
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The 1st letter of the a/c number, which is on the other side of the open door, does not look like a letter 'G'.

Could it be 'foreign' in spite of the English Min and Max weights?
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[QUOTE]The 1st letter of the a/c number, which is on the other side of the open door, does not look like a letter 'G'. [QUOTE]

I think looking at these photographs one would be correct in saying that the letter is a "G".

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What is missing is the small window to the left of the "A" this could have been added when they changed the shape of the windows to rectangular shape during the rebuild at Rochester.
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Thanks for all your help, the syrinx and scylla were sister planes apparently and they were the only 2 built. Now I just need to find out where and when!
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Thanks for all your help, the syrinx and scylla were sister planes apparently and they were the only 2 built. Now I just need to find out where and when!
Looking at the state (angle) of Syrinx's starboard outer engine. I would say around 1940 at Exeter Airport just before she became office accommodation.
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An internal photo and one of it in the air here.

Short Scylla
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