Victor Airborne (Merged)
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Victor aircraft | take- off | Bruntingthorpe airfield | Lutterworth | this is leicestershire
Already in the press
XH558 went nose up on one occassion i was there on a coldwar jet day of its many fast taxi runs before it was taken out for the rebuild, and there was a rumour that the main gear also had an air gap at the time.
Already in the press
XH558 went nose up on one occassion i was there on a coldwar jet day of its many fast taxi runs before it was taken out for the rebuild, and there was a rumour that the main gear also had an air gap at the time.
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As posted on this very forum 23rd March 2009
Adds a new dimension to it.
"Must be awfully frustrating not to complete that take-off run. "
I've already dared him - watch this space! She wouldnt take much persuasion. After all if a rotten tin triangle can do it....
I've already dared him - watch this space! She wouldnt take much persuasion. After all if a rotten tin triangle can do it....
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I think there is video. There was apparently some on Youtube the night it happened but it was taken off and hasn't re-appeared.
VP, there's an unsubstantiated rumour on another forum that your co-pilot was managing the throttles for you, not un-common, and mis-heard / interpreted an instruction to and applied full power. I'm guessing it's nonsense?
VP, there's an unsubstantiated rumour on another forum that your co-pilot was managing the throttles for you, not un-common, and mis-heard / interpreted an instruction to and applied full power. I'm guessing it's nonsense?
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Taken from
Victor aircraft | take- off | Bruntingthorpe airfield | Lutterworth | this is leicestershire :
if the local press can find "us", then surely the local NIMBY'S can... 
And for those who still demand a full explanation at Pprune from "the man at the helm":
Be patient... 
Victor aircraft | take- off | Bruntingthorpe airfield | Lutterworth | this is leicestershire :
One spectator quoted on a pilots' website said
And for those who still demand a full explanation at Pprune from "the man at the helm":
A spokesman for the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said they had been contacted about the incident relating to the Victor being airborne without a permit to fly.
He said: "We have been made aware of what happened with the Victor."
"We have launched an investigation and evidence will be gathered to ascertain the full facts."
He said: "We have been made aware of what happened with the Victor."
"We have launched an investigation and evidence will be gathered to ascertain the full facts."
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CAA Quote
Stratofreighter, Where did that CAA quote come from? Neither the Owner nor I have heard any response to our report. Bob
OK - Update, now understand it was newspaper "speak" from what tried to be a "sensational" Leicester newspaper report.
OK - Update, now understand it was newspaper "speak" from what tried to be a "sensational" Leicester newspaper report.
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Aileron Deflection
I've just stumbled in and have not read all posts on this matter. The series of photos titled IMG are brilliant.
Has anyone else commented on the fact that this series of photos clearly show that from the beginning of the roll, the port aileron is shown deflected upwards and continues to be shown in that condition in the remaining sequence of three photos until the aircraft is airborne. Whilst this accounts for the aircraft rolling to the left as it gathers speed, this can only occur if the pilot deflects his control column to the left or if there is a technical fault with the aileron control system.
What I'm unable to understand is that the photo, IMG-8401bb[1], showing the aircraft well and truly airborne, it is also shown with a slight bank to the right and the port aileron still deflected upwards.
I've never worked on Victors, but as an ex RAF airframe fitter this aileron situation is alien to my senses. Can anyone put me out of my misery?
Has anyone else commented on the fact that this series of photos clearly show that from the beginning of the roll, the port aileron is shown deflected upwards and continues to be shown in that condition in the remaining sequence of three photos until the aircraft is airborne. Whilst this accounts for the aircraft rolling to the left as it gathers speed, this can only occur if the pilot deflects his control column to the left or if there is a technical fault with the aileron control system.
What I'm unable to understand is that the photo, IMG-8401bb[1], showing the aircraft well and truly airborne, it is also shown with a slight bank to the right and the port aileron still deflected upwards.
I've never worked on Victors, but as an ex RAF airframe fitter this aileron situation is alien to my senses. Can anyone put me out of my misery?
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harrier,
Quick answer.
On the Victor the ailerons are slightly rigged upwards, to alleviate the stress on the outer wing. So on the ground and in level flight, both ailerons are deflected a few degrees upwards.
That should answer your question.
CJ
Quick answer.
On the Victor the ailerons are slightly rigged upwards, to alleviate the stress on the outer wing. So on the ground and in level flight, both ailerons are deflected a few degrees upwards.
That should answer your question.
CJ
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Video footage available here..
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The Victor flying video
Please respect the owner of the videos wishes....
The Victor flying video
Please respect the owner of the videos wishes....
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The Victor flying video
Please respect the owner of the videos wishes....
The Victor flying video
Please respect the owner of the videos wishes....
*Edit: ok maybe not clearly (I'm watching it again), but seemingly haha
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Yes, but nose-up is just about SOP for these fast runs - regardless of type.
I suppose it adds to the occasion if only in a teasing sense. Sort of like 'tantric' flying. Except this sortie became, err, fully consummated!
I suppose it adds to the occasion if only in a teasing sense. Sort of like 'tantric' flying. Except this sortie became, err, fully consummated!
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Nosewheel and Cross wind Comment
That video is from a pretty "cool" angle. For the record, there was no intent to raise the nosewheel - it was intended and briefed to be a "restricted" speed run for several reasons. The cross-wind was a problem, not least as the Victor intakes are more efficient on the up-wind side, than down-wind. More thrust from the right against the gusting weather-cock effect, all variables in real time meant working hard on the nosewheel steering and the rudder as power came on to hold the centre - line. Equally, the cross wind made for more lift from the stbd wing as I think the video shows, but I had no idea at the time of the magnitude of the bank to port that developed so rapidly until seeing the video, nor the amount of stbd bank and rudder I had to apply to head back towards the runway. Visibility from a Victor cockpit is restricted to say the least!! OK for "bomber" straight and level, but not for close to the ground - by the seat of your pants - no computers - flying!!